If you *LOVE* System 11 pins, please post below with, "sign me up!" in your first sentence.

The simple goal is to build a directory. We can make it easier for you to have a one-stop "Favorite Topic" to find other like-minded owners/previous owners of System 11 games.

Ideally, with a focused directory, it will increase your odds of meeting other System 11 junkies to buy/sell/trade/short-term swap/part swap/request help, or even meet a local to PLAY that RARE System 11 you didn't think you'd ever have a chance to see in your lifetime.

* Existing members should 'thumbs up' people with "sign me up!" in the first line of their replies so we can find actual 'intentional' signups faster when scanning the thread...

* A nice reference for all 30 games from HS to BBBB:
http://www.system11.org/

* flipper upgrades
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/system-11-club/page/6#post-1019065

* Drop Target replacement parts
http://www.greatlakesmodular.com/

* See freeplay40's thread for ramp updates: high speed, Pinbot, etc.

(I would strongly suggest we keep this thread a 'directory', and continue to post all System 11 threads as you always have, in whatever forum they make the most sense to post in. Maintain this a pure directory, and nothing more.)

Looking forward to networking with other System 11 Die Hards...

thanks!
MOF

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Signups: 49+45+29+28+20+10+10+9+10+10 = 220

Sign me up, boss !

I like the System 11 collection postings...

Grand Lizard <-- hard to find, best flow ever
Taxi <-- just got it, just starting to tame this beast
Whirlwind <-- finesse game, so subtle
Diner (my first, and still my favorite System 11 pin)
Space Station <-- another great sys11 soundtrack
Cyclone <-- Hey you with the face!

I'm glad we finally asked this question.

BOP* and FH* are not System 11 by virtue of their chip set.

Now, for the purpose of this thread being a 'Directory for owners who Love an "era" of machines', I would like to count BOP and FH as honorary members of the System 11 "era" since they play and act like System 11, and if I am not mistaken, are the final two Williams pins before DMDs.

I would like to declare the System 11 club includes 30pins +2*, as long as nobody makes a strong case against such inclusion.
=)

MOF

I'll start a new thread to discuss. Sounds like a topic worthy of discussion!

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-defines-an-era-of-pinball#post-752911

MOF

very mysterious, this one.
MOF

Just added an excellent condition "Space Station" to the fleet -- amazing soundtrack, and green mode rocks...
MOF

Hope to close on it this week. =)
-mof

Wondering... Should there not be a club for system 3-9 games?
-mof

That's a great problem to have: which of those three great games to get? I bet you the market will dictate which one you get -- grab the first one of those three that's available at a price you can afford.

-mof

I will be trying Vid1900's suggestions regarding replacing the flipper springs on System 11's. I bought a pack of 10 pairs to change 'em up on all my machines. Will report back the improvements. Will need to take videos of before and after. Got the parts, just need the time.
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-to-upgradingrebuilding-flippers

-mof

Haha, I already moved my Cyclone over. If NAVL fumbles the ball somehow, I'll have to slide it back. =)
-mof

Great detective work.

There's a must-have "SWITCH ADJUSTER TOOL" for about $10. I'm sure one of the online pin stores has one in stock. It's a top-10 tool for sure.
I am re-adjusting pops, flippers, and flipper button switches often. It's VERY satisfying to get your pops to become loud fast machine guns.
I use rubbing alcohol for easy stuff -- Citrus cleaner occasionally for gummier stuff since the fumes are more harsh.

-mof

Really enjoying Cyclone and Space Station. I now have a lot of respect for Big Guns after playing it at the local pin expo. Need some "alone time" with Big Guns some day to really hear the callouts and music and get to know the game better.

-mof

I just did the flipper upgrade and it is amazing. Thank you vid1900. I am really enjoying my WW
again. Took me 90 mins. per flipper... Do it !!!

-mof

Just to help motivate anyone still "thinking" about upgrading their system 11 flipper springs...
Can you tell which one has been cleaned and has shiny new parts?
They even *sound* much better -- you hear that hard *CLACK* sound on every strike -- instead of a slow murky "splurghfffff" sound with every spring contraction (gross).
Thanks Vid1900!
-mof

OLD sys11 flipper (slow) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - NEW sys11 flipper with much faster play (fast)
clean_and_dirty_flipper.jpg

From what I've read in the vid1900 thread Terry at Pinball Life will assemble an entire assembly for you for ~$36. I've found that re-using the brackets and coils is fine, so I saved a little $ since I was planning to do 10+ sets of flippers.

-mof

Hey YOU with the face!!!

I am going to start some "members only" threads for some system 11 games... be sure and jump in...

Cyclone Members Only thread http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cyclone-clubmembers-only

-mof

I was thinking this thread is simply a good place to just build a directory to find "active" System 11 owners for trades/swaps/etc... perhaps we just put our names in here, and keep the chatter low so that the thread doesn't reach 100 pages too quickly... =)

I would still use the tech forums for issues, so that we don't bloat this directory with too many side threads. Also, you'll get more people chiming in that don't "own" system 11's that can help as well.

-mof

Just opened up a club for Space Station owners. Looking forward to discussing LED options for it.
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/space-station-club-members-only
-mof

I really enjoy the process of disassembling, cleaning, and reassembling the flipper assemblies. I took the cheaper route, and just bought a bunch of upgrade kits. I have found that the old coils on all my machines seem to work fine, and all the old brackets seem fine as well, so I saved a little bit of money there. I will, however suggest getting extra coil-brackets for $1.50 each since those wear a lot, and sometimes don't have the divet when you flip the coils around... So in short, I didn't see the need to buy the whole assembly put together. It's nice to learn how things are all put together. So I got the arm kit + bushing + coil bracket. This skips/saves rebuying coil+main bracket.

I've got 7 of 9 machines done... So close...
It's totally night and day once you complete them.
-mof

I can't speak to HS, but for GL, which is also 1986 -- I had to grab 2 flipper brackets with the cap bracket on there, since GL's brackets didn't have 'em. From there, add parts as needed. So if HS is like GL, that might be why you wouldn't get an all-in-one -- not sure if that was your goal.
-mof

Here's the complete set of links to UPGRADE your flippers to WPC Fliptronics-era flippers. (note: If you have a system 11A or earlier, you will likely be missing the capacitor bracket in your flipper bracket assembly, and you'll need new brackets as well (#6.)

1) these are required x1 ($21.50)
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=983&parent=172
2) these are required x2 ($0.85)
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=270&parent=60
3) these are required x2 (2x$2.50)
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=262&parent=0
4) you "MAY" need these depending on which coil brackets you have x2 (2x $1.50)
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=368
5) you "MAY" need these depending on whether your old ones are reusable/missing x2 (2x $1.30)
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=276
6) you "MAY" need these depending on whether you have the capacitor brackets built into your flipper assembly brackets. Get L and R, one each. 2x ($9.25)
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=259
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=260

Total Min cost:
$28.20
Total Max cost:
$43.05

OR, you can have an entire kit sent out $40: http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=172

Hope that helps!
-mof

It's all described here from Vid1900:
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-to-upgradingrebuilding-flippers
Bottom line is the springs. Do you want them bunching up, or always free and tight? The new design from 1992+ is much better. Feels snappier. Sounds snappier. Also you have more control with the newer flipper mech style. I'll put a video up later that shows the difference.

-mof

Ya basically, look at your JM machine's flippers. Your other three games can feel that good.
-mof

Anyone have a System 11 they are thinking of selling this summer?
thanks!
-mof

Fantastic! You have rescued a pin! -- make sure to post a separate tech-help request in the tech forums so the tech gurus can give you a hand...
-mof

If you or a loved one owns a Space Station -- just started up a club for it... Hope to see you there!
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/space-station-club-members-only
-mof

haha - I was wondering who went to pick that up!
=)
-mof

Fun vote for "Best system 11 multiball ever" here:
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/best-system-11-multiball-experience-of-your-life-vote-now

enjoy!
-mof

I hope you have a thread with your process in there. People get so inspired when they can follow along.
-mof

New Big Guns club, good stuff!

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/big-guns-club-save-the-queen#postbox

-mof

Way too close to ES for a keeper. You have a BO, a Lawlor, now aim for a Mark Ritchie: Taxi, Big Guns, Diner, or Sorcerer -- or Steve Ritchie: Black Knight, High Speed, BK2K or F14.

F14, High Speed, and Big Guns will pop the most.

Great, now go get your butt in the Cyclone Club!
-mof

NIIICE !
-mof

Sounds good!
-mof

Having some switch issues on my High Speed, opened a thread here, if anyone has recently conquered some switch error demons:
(solved!)
-mof

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tech-column-keeps-blowing-in-high-speed

I just played BBBB, and it was a decent game -- it reminded me of playing Cyclone. I can't figure out how BBBB could possibly be ranked the worst solid state ever (of the 299 now ranked on Pinside).
-mof

Got a sweet link for this?

-mof

Hi, I'm wondering what you mean by a "Tech chart" ?
-mof

In case you haven't upgraded your flipper assemblies in your System 11's here's a little before and after for ya...

Working on my Grand Lizard, one assembly at a time. Takes me about 2 hours an assembly. I replace *everything*

I molex all components that I repair first.

Here's a "before and after" simulation... hehe.

Then run a quick EOS gap check before fully tightening... 1mm vertical gap, check... I've only done 30 of these now... I'm almost good at it.

enjoy...
-mof

201410-GL-flipper-new-old.jpg
201410-GL-EOS-check.jpg
201410-GL-EOS-check2.jpg

Sharpie and a Dremel, and about 10 minutes each bracket. Fun stuff.
-mof

It didn't occur to me to include a cap.
-mof

That is how I feel about Taxi and Diner. I like Taxi, but I *love* Diner. They are very similar games. I think big improvements were made in Diner, the most important one being that feeding people carries over from ball to ball. Many people like Taxi over Diner, and I'm perfectly fine with that notion.

-mof

Quick question: Is High Speed the only System 11 with a "re-rippable" spinner orbit shot? (It has 2)

-mof

If you know someone that wants an immaculately restored Taxi by one of Pinside's best, here's your chance to be a hero... 2 hours left...
-mof

ebay.com link: Fully Restored Williams Taxi Pinball Machine

Rotation pin. If you can get it cheap, enjoy it 3-6 months and move it.
-mof

Anyone have any insight into display "noise" in system 11 displays?
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/system-11a-display-noise

-mof

Diner > Taxi, and it doesn't come around as often.
-mof

really nice.
-mof

Sys11s are the gateway drug to early Solid States.
-mof

Things general to all system 11s could be posted here...
Here's the Whirlwind thread:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whirlwind-club-members-only
If you have any tech questions, it's usually best to open a unique thread for it.
-mof

Wait a second. That was genius.

Is that the essence of what's different about (most) modern pinball to pre-DMD games?

Is modern pinball about *privately* beating the PROGRAMMING -- by reaching a final mode 60-80 minutes deep into the game, and NOT about it being a quick fun 5 minute SOCIAL event where you try to best a FRIENDS's score?

I was playing a modern game with a friend the other day, and he had a 15-20 minute ball, and I just sat there watching in complete awe -- and wondered -- "How is this good for pinball? (socially speaking)" (That would never happen on one of my 80's machines... )

-mof

Banzai Run (1750) or Radical (1315)?
-mof

Just some general display advice until a display expert chimes in:

1. reseat cables
2. check the power coming into the display against the spec
3. see the clay guides for more ideas

-mof

Did you open up a new separate thread for this?

I was surprised that I could vote all the way through on my own. Seemed odd.

-mof

yes

Nope - didn't know -- always hated hitting that button by mistake...