Sure Shot
Gottlieb, 1976Hi, just bought the Sure Shot EM and having problems with it. Ball won’t kick out to the shooter Lane. everything is resetting and motor is running but the ball wont pop out. When I pop it out manually game is dead no flippers or bumpers working it’s like the tilt is on.
Quoted from jeffc:How far are you getting in this sequence?[quoted image]
Quoted from currieddog:Check out the 15th pos. bonus unit make/break sw. shown here. O is the Ball Return relay.
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Quoted from Sonora70:Is you score motor stopping or continuing to run?
The ball when kicked into the shooter lane rolls over a switch that "turns on" the playfield. That switch is under the apron. I believe that's the case with a Sure Shot.
Quoted from Kominkay:Got it to work but it goes straight to the 9 credit
From what?
Quoted from Kominkay:it goes straight to the 9 credit
If the 2nd Chute Relay (W) is activating when this happens, check the Coin switches on the front door.
Now when I put a coin in the coin shoot the credit score goes down 1 credit and when I press the start button it also goes down 1 credit. The game resets, score real resets, ball count resets, the bar under the play field resets, and all the lights on the play field light up then turn off then nothing on the play field is working except the Special kick out holes. The ball return doesn’t activate, it’s like everything is dead.
I found a broken wire in one of the coils on the bonus unit and repaired it. Doesn’t seem to help anything but at least I have ruled that out, I think.
Quoted from HowardR:One of these 5 switches is probably open. Which one?
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Ok so I had a look at the schematics and I think I know where to look. I will take a look tomorrow and let you know what I find, thanks.
I will look at the switches on the tilt hold relay (H) and the hold relay (R) is that right?
Also the switches on the ball count unit in the 0 position and the 6 position?
Also the AX relay switch?
Dose all these switches need to be closed when I push the start button to start the game?
Any more information is appreciated
Quoted from HowardR:One of these 5 switches is probably open. Which one?
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Quoted from currieddog:From what?
Quoted from jeffc:How far are you getting in this sequence?[quoted image]
Quoted from Sonora70:When the ball drains does it start the score motor?
I mostly work on my pinball machine on the weekend as I’m busy working all week, I’m a chef and run my own retro takeaway and Milkbar so pretty tired after work, and like to do some research at night so I will try to give you all some updates Saturday and attach some photos of the inside for your interest. This old beauty was pretty darn dirty.
last weekend I think I put in about 20hrs into cleaning and taking things apart and putting them back together. Felt a bit stressed and thinking that nothing I’m doing is helping solve the problems, needed some time away from it. But now looking forward to Saturday to get back into it. Thanks for all the questions and advice Jay.
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Yes the back board lights up when turned on and the tilt light is on
Quoted from Kominkay:The hold relay won’t activate and when I do it manually it won’t stay on
If the Hold relay (R) won't stay on, Inspect and diagnose this circuit with Alligator clip jumper wires
http://www.planetimming.com/Pinball/troubleshooting/EM%20Troubleshooting.pdf
http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index3.htm#features
Pinball (resized).pngQuoted from HowardR:If the Hold relay (R) won't stay on, Inspect and diagnose this circuit with Alligator clip jumper wires
http://www.planetimming.com/Pinball/troubleshooting/EM%20Troubleshooting.pdf
http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index3.htm#features
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Ok so the latest update is....
I turn the machine on back glass lights up.
I can manually activate the hold relay and it stays on.
I can manually activate the tilt hold relay and it stays on, playfield lights up.
I manually activate the start relay and it activates the AX relay and it holds in which then activates the ball count relay which holds in and they both make a loud buzzing sound nothing happens from then. They just both work hard and hold in.
Quoted from Kominkay:I manually activate the start relay and it activates the AX relay and it holds in which then activates the ball count relay which holds in and they both make a loud buzzing sound nothing happens from then.
This switch on the AX relay should run the motor. Also, I don't see any Ball Count relay on the schematic.
Pinball (resized).pngHow dose the Motor 2c switch close? because that goes to the AX coil and the reset ball count unit.
Quoted from HowardR:This switch on the AX relay should run the motor. Also, I don't see any Ball Count relay on the schematic.
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E647116F-056B-4C75-9F13-66F536AE6221 (resized).pngWow I fell like I 1 step forward and 2 steps back when I’ve just about to solve a problem another one pops up and everything was running properly when I first got this machine then the ball return was the first thing to go now I’m about 10 steps backwards…frustrating!
Quoted from Raff:If it doesn't need fixing you should not touch it, it only will cause more problems.
What to do instead: Slowly and carefully diagnose one problem at a time and then fix only that.
http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index2.htm#clean
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