Probably going to tank the market honestly It's like 7 to 10% increase overnight. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't tank the entire online big ticket item industry.

well if you are gonna pay taxes may as well pay them locally and help your infrastructure / schools / etc

When does this go into effect?

This will affect Ebay sales to??

Road trip to Oregon.

Totally!

This seems like a nightmare for companies to deal with. Would they have to remit the sales tax to the state of the purchaser? So for example, would Pinball Life have to send sales tax payments to all 50 states (if they sold to someone in every one)?

In America we are literally taxed to death now!

That sucks for my business. Nc tax is enough headache as it is.
Now if they made it a fed tax and split it out to the states it would be easier on business owners.

Only companies that have more than $100,000 in sales have to collect the State sales taxes, so ebayer are probably OK.

But companies that sell pinball machines are going to get sacked....

Amazon already collects tax, is their tax rate going to go up though? I know Trump has a beef with jeff bezos.

Bezos owns the Post sooooo the "beef" would appear to be in reverse

In many cases states will have to change their laws slightly before it will take effect. So the answer is that it depends. My guess is most states will make this tweak swiftly...

As to whether it “tanks” sales... I don’t think it will. If you can afford a $5000+ new in box toy you can afford an extra 6-8%.

That's why no one buys from Amazon any more.

There are 50 places that are cheaper than Amazon, let alone the taxes they collect on top.

If the Canon camera I buy is $6000 at Amazon, B&H and Adorama - I'd be an idiot to by it on Amazon and pay an extra $480 in taxes.

Oregon, Alaska, Delaware, Montana and New Hampshire are going to make a fortune in drop shipping expensive items, lol.......

I buy from there constantly. I have prime so I almost never pay for shipping. If there's a problem they take it back no questions asked.
I rarely buy anything on amazon that costs more than a couple hundred dollars, so I'll happily pay my 6% sales tax and have the item left on my doorstep rather than pay 8% locally, and eat up gas.

I doubt it will tank sales, though it will certainly impact it. We are already pushing it (IMO) with NIB prices in the 6-9k range and adding 8-10% is much more than it would have been when prices where 4-5k. My guess is that if anything, used prices will go up some, now that NIB just went up 8-10%, since those prices will be that much more attractive over new.

I've never cared for this argument. Money isn't some infinite thing, at a certain point you can't afford it, but also at a certain point it's not worth it.

Sure, if you're willing to spend $5400 maybe you're okay with $5800, but when does it stop? When Stern bumps up prices again, as they keep doing, and a Pro passed the $6k point do you keep buying? It's a far cry from when it was only $4500, and that wasn't too long ago.

I dunno about everyone else, but the money I make isn't going up at the same rate pin prices are.

So the good news in this is that the ruling was somewhat limited -- they didn't even directly approve the Dakota laws but had it sent back to the legislator. They were pretty clear that any law had to be easy to comply with (no county tax stuff I'm assuming) or not burdensome on retailers. The Dakota law in question had the 100,000 or 100 transaction threshold, but this doesn't mean this is some hard limit for other states. I guess we will have to see what laws are passed by other states and how the courts define what burdensome is.

At least that was my five minute take.

At least we don't have to worry about this and how a tariff could effect prices at the same time. Oh, wait.......

yea this is more worrysome. tariff on raw steel (side rails, lockbar mech, lockbar, pinball legs, leg brackets).. then you have whatever tariff china decides to put on exported pcbs. maybe it was smart for stern to startup that factory in brazil.

Exactly. The worth vs. value is fast fading because of increasing prices and the state tax would put it that much farther toward not being worth it.
Also, you are right about salaries. They are not going up anywhere near as fast as pinball prices or even inflation of everyday living expenses. Another recession is coming.

I never paid tax on the Pinside Market place.
Looks like a small donation to pinside is better than shopping online.

This is why I try to buy/sell/trade on line here at Pinside.....

You still will not be able to find a lot of the items you order online "locally" we the consumers just end up taking it in the rear....

Move to Canada where we pay 13% tax on practically everything we buy (electronics get an additional environmental tax) + get roughly 33% income tax when the tax man comes knocking + everything is more expensive up here. We pay roughly $5.10 per gallon of fuel for our own oil. I just guess you Americans are getting a dose of worldwide reality Paying more taxes sure suck

It's a good thing digital money doesn't have physical weight or the Caymans would be underwater by now.

Head East to Cook COuNty and pay 9%...

I was just thinking the same thing haha. Except add another 2% for living in the Maritime's.

Come on, you guys had to see this coming. You know the politicians have already spent this money.

Actually I'm surprised they let it go on this long already.
You know every state is chomping at the bit to collect their share of taxes.

You should see what we pay in healthcare and property taxes. I’d trade for your sales tax rate any day.

Zero taxes have been added. If your state has a sales tax, and you buy something online, you should have been reporting it to the state the whole time.

This just makes the retailers enforce the tax law that everyone has been ignoring forever. Technically it's unfair to the retailer, it's not their job to do the customers taxes, but on the flip side it's probably the only way.

hahaha

This is actually not true, at least in my State.

ugh - everyone buys from amazon. Seriously - they print money. Ask any wife in America

Incorrect.

https://www.michigan.gov/taxes/0,4676,7-238-43519_43529-155531--,00.html

Told myself I would never pay more than $5K for a pinball machine and I’ve stuck to my word. This will put NIB pros close to $6K, fuck that!!! I’ll be in the used HUO market thanks.

cook county sucks.. my dad is already griping about the elon musk boring project to get people from downtown to ohare in 12 minutes. that billion dollars has to come from somewhere.

I'm so sick of taxes, taxes and more taxes. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't waste most of the money on a pile of bullshit and lining their own pockets.

It's absolutely disgusting.

Like foreign aid and policing the world?

Still no sales or income tax in New Hampshire. Property taxes suck though....

I read on twitter that this is a "great victory for consumers and retailers."

It's even being reported in the Post!

I already stopped. My MetLE was $6800 shipped. What are Premiums now, $7200-7400?

In Michigan, the State Return has an entry to pay unpaid sales taxes. The description lists things such as Mail order purchases, Internet purchases and Magazine Subscriptions. You mean you haven't been paying this?

Then we have the "Intangibles Tax" that includes Items of value stored such as stock certificates (.1% or .001 of the value of the stock), precious metals and Gems and my favorite: Cash stored on your person or safe place including Safe Deposit Boxes or non-interest bearing bank acCOuNts (.25% or .0025 of the value).

So, that $50 grand you have stuffed in your lumpy mattress requires you to pay $125.00 to the state every year.

Not sure what your paying but I'm at $498 a month for property tax, unreal.