Superman 1978 Rumor

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Superman 1978 Rumor


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    #201 6 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    At least we were spared the indignity of seeing Nic Cage try to do it.

    Those videos of Cage trying on the shiny Superman suit are so embarrassing to watch.

    Comic fans REALLY dogged a bullet with that one!

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    Although sadly, Cage is doing the voice of Superman in the upcoming movie:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7424200/

    #202 6 months ago

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    Yeah I always wanted to see this documentary about that failed production. Safe to say casting Nicolas Cage as Superman was one of the worst ideas ever.

    Cage sure is a Superman superfan though. Named his son Kal-El. That's pretty hardcore. Haha

    #203 6 months ago
    Quoted from girloveswaffles:

    Phyllis Coats also had a cameo in Superman (1978).

    You might be thinking of the actress that replaced her, Noel Neill. Coates was not in Superman The Movie.

    #204 6 months ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Safe to say casting Nicolas Cage as Superman was one of the worst ideas ever.

    His acting was so terrible in Ghost Rider, it's probably the lowest rated of all the Marvel Superhero movies.

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    #205 6 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    His acting was so terrible in Ghost Rider, it's probably the lowest rated of all the Marvel Superhero movies.

    And then they brought him back to made a second one.

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    #206 6 months ago
    Quoted from TractorDoc:

    And then they brought him back to made a second one.

    OMG, I honestly did not know there was a 2nd !

    Just looked on RottenTom and it got a 17% lol

    #207 6 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    OMG, I honestly did not know there was a 2nd !
    Just looked on RottenTom and it got a 17% lol

    My time on Pinside is complete. I knew something Vid did not.

    Kinda wish it was more valuable information though. . .

    #208 6 months ago

    Read through this thread. Vid being wrong is almost continuous...

    #209 6 months ago

    Superman Returns was actually pretty good. I thought Brandon Routh was perfect, but his dialogue wasn’t the greatest.

    Kevin Smith said it best. “Superman doesn’t punch anybody. How the fuck can Superman not punch anybody?”

    I don’t like Henry Cavill as the new Superman. He sure punches everybody, but he’s not a fun character. He’s mopey and depressed about being Superman FFS.

    #210 6 months ago
    Quoted from joetechbob:

    Interesting backstory on that which I hadn't looked into before:
    "Paramount was interested in financially exploiting the phenomenal popularity of the then-new Superman comic books, by producing a series of theatrical cartoons based upon the character. The Fleischers, looking for a way to reject the project without appearing uncooperative, agreed to do the series—but only at a (intentionally inflated) per-episode-budget number so exorbitantly high that Paramount would have to reject them, instead. They told Paramount that producing such a conceptually and technically complex series of cartoons would cost about $100,000 per short (in 1940s dollars, or $1,700,000 per short as of 2017); this was about four times the typical budget of a six-minute episode of the Fleischers' popular Popeye the Sailor cartoons of that period.[3] To the Fleischers' shock, instead of withdrawing its request, Paramount entered into negotiations with them, and got the per-episode budget lowered to $50,000.[4] Now the Fleischers were committed to a project they never wanted to do—with more financial and marketing support than they had ever received for the projects they had done."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_(1940s_cartoons)

    And the irony is it's basically all that they are remembered for. In fact in Superman Returns, there are a few scenes taken directly out of those cartoons.

    FWIW, Superman II is the best. "Kneel before Zod!"

    #211 6 months ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Yeah I always wanted to see this documentary about that failed production. Safe to say casting Nicolas Cage as Superman was one of the worst ideas ever.

    The talk Kevin Smith gave about it is interesting.

    #212 6 months ago

    Oh Kevin Smith wrote the script? That’s icing on the cake. Would have been worst movie ever then. Can’t stand that toolbox.

    #213 6 months ago
    Quoted from Methos:

    And the irony is it's basically all that they are remembered for.

    Seriously, and not for the dozens of Popeye shorts the did (including several extended shorts)? Or even Betty Boop?

    #214 6 months ago

    This is scary.

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    #215 6 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    His acting was so terrible in Ghost Rider, it's probably the lowest rated of all the Marvel Superhero movies.

    The only reason i watched it was because Eva Mendes was in it.

    #216 6 months ago

    I think the more realistic reason we never had another Superman movie after Reeve's time as Kal-El was because they were too busy making money off the Superman IP on TV. Lois and Clark was on for four years, soon followed by Smallville that ran for 10 years. Superman Returns was a valiant attempt, but it couldn't fully commit to one "vision" as it were. It was trying to forge a new path, but also trying to be too Reeve-y and continue what came before. Brandon Routh really got short-changed in that role. The movie could've been great, if they had committed to one direction for it.

    What's amazing to me is how staunch people seem to fight against a Superman that isn't Reeve. He was great and those original movies will always hold a great place in my childhood memories, but to be so closed minded as to not allow anyone else a shot at the blue tights is baffling to me. We seem to be ok with letting Batman get reinvented every few years, why can't Supes have that same leeway? West, Keaton, Bale, and yes, even Affleck have shown that Batman can bent in many directions without being broken(excluding the JL Whedon reshoots and one-liners). To be honest, Affleck is my favorite, too. He plays the old Wayne/Batman quite well, just not sure that that old age got transmitted as well in BvS as it did the source material of Miller's The Dark Knight Returns. Plus, if there's anything real comics fans know about their favorite superheroes, it's that there are multiple versions of them partaking in multiple stories by multiple authors going on at any one time. How is it they can't see a new movie Superman as just "a new author's telling, in a new universe" of the last son of Krypton?

    I'll admit, I used to actually be in that camp. Reeve was the best Superman in my mind and while Dean and Brandon had ok takes at him, Christopher still held the top spot as quintessential(I never watched Smallville, but regarded it as a "prequel" type story that didn't play with the canon of the Reeve-verse). I went into Man of Steel with a huge wall up. It's taken a long time and a few watchings for me to realize how even I was shortchanging myself in not allowing a new version of Superman, and even a new version of General Zod. Let me tell you, Michael Shannon is fantastic in MoS. his Zod makes perfect sense and is actually more of an anti-hero, admirable in his desire to rebuild his home, as he was chosen/bred to do. Both Shannon and Stamp's Zod's were amazing, unique, and had very different origin stories. But one does not diminish the other. Such is the case with each new Batman, and for this thread's sake, each new Superman. Cain, Routh, Welling, and Cavill do not diminish how Reeve did, what Puzo wrote, or how Donner directed. They're just different tellings in different universes.

    Hey, the bright side of all these comic book movies is that at least it's not a bunch of remakes of movies that don't need it like with the new Overboard. Hollywood is pretty much out of ideas, so I'm glad they're tapping into comics since there have been great stories in them for decades.

    #218 6 months ago

    That is sad. She was fantastic in the role...compare her to the Lois in Superman Returns and it's night and day.

    Distinctive voice and appearance and great chemistry with Reeve.

    #219 6 months ago

    Sad news. A great actress and the best Lois ever.

    #220 6 months ago

    Oops, beaten to the news.

    Sad day indeed.

    #221 6 months ago
    Quoted from Miguel351:

    What's amazing to me is how staunch people seem to fight against a Superman that isn't Reeve. He was great and those original movies will always hold a great place in my childhood memories, but to be so closed minded as to not allow anyone else a shot at the blue tights is baffling to me.

    It's not the actor per say, but the way the role is portrayed. So far, I think Reeve is the only one who nailed it and displayed all the best qualities of superman/clark kent.

    I enjoyed Tom Welling's take on the role on Smallville, but he wasn't a fully-fledged Superman per-say. Also, I thought John Schneider was great playing Johnathan Kent.

    #222 6 months ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    The more modern superman characters done by Brandon Routh and Henry Cavill are dark, brooding, gritty, and deeply flawed characters. No thanks. That's not who that character is. Superman is not supposed to be a troubled and flawed character.

    Which is why he goes and sits in the center of the sun for like 15000 years. Seems pretty broody to me.

    http://superman.wikia.com/wiki/Superman_Prime_%2ne_Million%29

    #223 6 months ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    I think Reeve is the only one who nailed it and displayed all the best qualities of superman/clark kent.

    Here's why. His visible transformation from Clark Kent to Superman was amazing.

    https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/4/16252100/superman-christopher-reeve-clark-kent-transformation

    #224 6 months ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    So far, I think Reeve is the only one who nailed it and displayed all the best qualities of superman/clark kent.

    Maybe i was a bit harsh in my choice of words, but I agree wholeheartedly about his Clark Kent. Kent needs to be the bungling fool, even if just for the comedic value. Cavill's Kent doesn't seem to be that way at all, due to the way he was written, of course. I think Cavill could pull off the sheepish naivety thing fairly well, but they've already established him as not acting that way, which is sad. The way Reeve carried himself as Kent vs. Superman was the way you knew he was a great actor. Great actors are hard to find these days. Same reason as why Michael Shannon's Zod was so good, Shannon is a great actor.

    I think Reeve was awesome as Supes, but I think it's also a fair plot device to portray a guy who grew up in Kansas and knows nothing of Krypton as being conflicted about his "new duty" to humanity simply because of his powers. I do know that Snyder had planned to get his version of Superman to the Reeve level of morality and virtue, but apparently took too long for WB to be happy with waiting for the payoff. Of course, he was going to kill Batman in the next JL movie, so that might have helped them decide to fire him as well. Furthermore, he had originally planned to just make a new Superman trilogy but WB forced him to put Batman in the sequel(because Batman has been their cash cow for a while now), which he and Terrio and Goyer rewrote to be Batman v. Superman.

    #225 6 months ago

    What’s with all the Smallville gals being in a sex slave ring lol

    #226 6 months ago
    Quoted from Rascal_H:

    What’s with all the Smallville gals being in a sex slave ring lol

    That was some crazy shit, huh?

    #227 6 months ago
    Quoted from Miguel351:

    Maybe i was a bit harsh in my choice of words, but I agree wholeheartedly about his Clark Kent. Kent needs to be the bungling fool, even if just for the comedic value.

    Yeah kind of the same problem the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies had. Peter Parker should not be "cool".

    #228 6 months ago
    Quoted from Rascal_H:

    What’s with all the Smallville gals being in a sex slave ring lol

    It's important for young women to know that even Hollywood stars can become sex slaves, so they should not blame themselves.

    #229 6 months ago

    A Superman 78 pin would be incredible. I hope this is not just a rumor

    #230 6 months ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Yeah kind of the same problem the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies had. Peter Parker should not be "cool".

    Agreed. The new guy has nailed Peter Parker.

    #231 6 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    It's important for young women to know that even Hollywood stars can become sex slaves, so they should not blame themselves.

    Pinside, where else can you choke on your food while catching up on things...

    -3
    #232 6 months ago

    Of all the formats of Superman I've seen, the 1970's/80's film versions would be pretty much near the bottom. Only 'Superfriends' and Smallville would be lower on the list. And it only got worse as the sequels progressed. I hated Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor, and Otis make me cringe every time I hear "Oh Kay Mister Lootor". Christopher Reeve did a great job in his acting, but I never did like the nerdy/goofy Clark Kent.

    I'd prefer something with Alex Ross artwork, maybe with voice work by Tim Daly or George Newbern. And dear god, please don't make me repeatedly re-watch movie scenes constantly, like they did with Guardians of the Galaxy.

    #233 6 months ago
    Quoted from HHaase:

    Of all the formats of Superman I've seen, the 1970's/80's film versions would be pretty much near the bottom. Only 'Superfriends' and Smallville would be lower on the list. And it only got worse as the sequels progressed. I hated Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor, and Otis make me cringe every time I hear "Oh Kay Mister Lootor". Christopher Reeve did a great job in his acting, but I never did like the nerdy/goofy Clark Kent.
    I'd prefer something with Alex Ross artwork, maybe with voice work by Tim Daly or George Newbern. And dear god, please don't make me repeatedly re-watch movie scenes constantly, like they did with Guardians of the Galaxy.

    Just clueless......

    -1
    #234 6 months ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    Just clueless......

    Nah, just a different opinion from a different viewpoint. I highly prefer the imagery from Jim Lee and Alex Ross over any of the live action adaptations. I think if you could get an actual modern artist from the comic book lines to do all new line art for a pin, it would look phenomenal. The Wife and I keep saying we need to go through all her collection, and find the issue where part of a letter she wrote to DC Comics ended up as lines from a character, in an anti-Wonder Woman rant.

    I think of the 1978 Superman the same way as I think of the film 2001. Groundbreaking for its time, and defined the genre for decades. But to me it hasn't weathered very well, and I no longer find it entertaining. Doesn't help they changed the entire storyline continuity between 1 and 2 when they canned Richard Donner and turned a 2-movie plot arc into a pair of standalone films. That, and I prefer story arc's with a bit more meat to them. Nor am I a fan of making nearly every character offer up some kind of comic relief.

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    #236 4 months ago

    Any new word on this? I'm really hoping this is true.

    #237 4 months ago
    Quoted from konghusker:

    Any new word on this? I'm really hoping this is true.

    There is no new word on this.

    Check back later.

    3 weeks later
    #238 3 months ago

    Checking back!

    LOL!

    Trying to figure out where this would be in Stern's release schedule. Strong rumors of Munsters and Beatles up next. We know there is an Elvira 3 is coming, as well as Steve Ritchie's unlicensed game. This is most likely a 2020 title.

    I wonder if Ritchie wants it, since he did the Atari one. If so, then it might be further out than 2020 if his next game is the unlicensed one.

    This also might be a great Borg title.

    I hope to God they get everything in license, including Brando.

    Pull Hackman out of retirement for the custom speech.

    #239 3 months ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    I hope to God they get everything in license, including Brando.
    Pull Hackman out of retirement for the custom speech.

    They cannot possibly be able to afford Brando, living or dead, can they?

    Hackman might be into it I'm sure he's bored. Get a soundalike for Clark and Margot Kidder.

    #240 3 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    They cannot possibly be able to afford Brando, living or dead, can they?
    Hackman might be into it I'm sure he's bored. Get a soundalike for Clark and Margot Kidder.

    Depends on his original contract and what his estate thinks.

    His estate did allow WB to put his footage back into into Superman II: The Richard Donner cut.

    #241 3 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Hackman might be into it I'm sure he's bored. Get a soundalike for Clark and Margot Kidder.

    Could they just use voices straight from the movie?
    -Mike

    #242 3 months ago
    Quoted from Grizlyrig:

    Could they just use voices straight from the movie?
    -Mike

    Sure but that's incredibly limiting. I mean look at Star Wars, Tron and Iron Man. It's serviceable but it's just not quite as cool hearing audio clips from a movie you've already heard a ton of times shoehorned into a pinball machine script.

    I really think you are better of hiring a quality soundalike (TZ comes to mind). There's also the story of the original Dirty Harry soundtrack...

    #243 3 months ago
    Quoted from Grizlyrig:

    Could they just use voices straight from the movie?
    -Mike

    Yes, but I think he meant custom speech.

    Hackman would be great. His voice is gravelly anyway....so it shouldn't sound so different even though he's old now.

    #244 3 months ago

    I think they only need one actor for custom speech.

    The rest could be actual lines from the movie.

    Hackman and Marc McClure are they only ones left alive.

    #245 3 months ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    I think they only need one actor for custom speech.
    The rest could be actual lines from the movie.
    Hackman and Marc McClure are they only ones left alive.

    Jimmy?! That's def in the "best we could do" file...kind of like Winston on Ghostbusters.

    And hey Otis is still alive! And Ms Tessmacher!

    #246 3 months ago

    Custom speech from Terence Stamp (AKA General Zod) would be pretty cool. He could taunt you the entire time.

    #247 3 months ago
    Quoted from DeeGor:

    Custom speech from Terence Stamp (AKA General Zod) would be pretty cool. He could taunt you the entire time.

    I forgot he's still alive!

    "Is there no one in this arcade to even challenge me?"

    "Drain before Zod!"

    #248 3 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Jimmy?! That's def in the "best we could do" file...kind of like Winston on Ghostbusters.
    And hey Otis is still alive! And Ms Tessmacher!

    Don't forget Jack O' Halloran. Have Non do all the callouts!

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    #249 20 days ago

    How likely is this? While a Man of Steel Jersey Jack would be my ultimate pin, a Stern 1978 Superman would be a close second.

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