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Stupid Electrical Questions

By UvulaBob

9 years ago



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#1 9 years ago

I have some questions about the inner workings of pinball electrical components. First, though, a tool that I use to try to map this stuff out:

http://falstad.com/circuit/

The first question I've got is how the solenoid circuit works, on a component-by-component level. I understand that when "the computer" wants to fire a coil, it provides just enough voltage to a transistor to complete the coil's connection to ground for long enough to fire the coil. "The computer" then kills that voltage, which turns the coil off.

I can duplicate this kind of thing pretty easily in the circuit simulator, but when I look at a wiring diagram, I have no idea how it actually works. For example, let's look at page 3-8 on the Star Trek TNG manual.

High Power Solenoid Circuit.jpgHigh Power Solenoid Circuit.jpg

I've tried to re-create this circuit in the circuit simulator using the link at the bottom of the post.

It looks like this:

High Power Solenoid Circuit 2.jpgHigh Power Solenoid Circuit 2.jpg

I feel like there's a lot of stuff in this circuit that is unneeded. Why do I need the capacitor, resistor and ground connection right after the bridge rectifier? Why do I need the 50V line up top? Why do I need all those different NPN and PNP transistors?

Am I meddling in things outside of my understanding, or is there a way anyone can break some of this down for me? I'm tired of thinking of all of this stuff as a black box, and want to be able to intelligently diagnose issues without just poking at it, and I feel like this kind of thing is a good step.

If you want to re-create this circuit in the circuit simulator, use this link. Copy the text into the simulator's Import box and hit "import".

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jKagsDBA

#2 9 years ago
Quoted from UvulaBob:

I feel like there's a lot of stuff in this circuit that is unneeded. Why do I need the capacitor, resistor and ground connection right after the bridge rectifier? Why do I need the 50V line up top? Why do I need all those different NPN and PNP transistors?

You have some stupid questions...I have some stupid answers
The bridge rectifier output is pulsed DC. The capacitor after it is a filter capacitor to fill in those pulses and smooth the DC output. The resistor next to it is a bleeder resistor, that does 2 things - bleeds off the caps stored charge when the circuit is turned off and helps with providing load for the circuit. Some theory of these things here: http://www.qrparci.org/wa0itp/chap8.pdf

Looking at the 50V line up top, below that is a diode. Note the diode orientation, current flow here only happens when the anode side of the diode MORE positive than the 50V is present. This absorbs large spikes of voltage created by the coils collapsing magnetic field, protecting the circuit.

All the different transistors are used together to allow small changes in the logic circuit to drive larger current circuits and provide isolation between them. Basically this: A small change in the logic -> bigger change in the intermediate transistor switches -> a bigger change (and larger current handling) in the last stage transistor. Google terms such as multistage & complementary transistor theory for more information.

Hope that makes some sense.

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