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STTNG what is the best looking complete LED conversion kit?


By Bumper

6 years ago



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“What is the best STTNG LED kit?”

  • Marco Specialties kit 2 votes
    11%
  • Cointaker Super kit 13 votes
    72%
  • Cointaker kit 0 votes
  • Bayarea Amusements high intensity kit 0 votes
  • Pinball-led Flicker-free Hyper Bright kit 0 votes
  • Pinballcenter.eu noflix kit 1 vote
    6%
  • Pinballcenter.eu noflix PLUS kit 2 votes
    11%
  • Pinbal Heaven (ebay) kit 0 votes

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#1 6 years ago

There are many different LED kits available, but I find it very difficult to compare them. I just want to buy a complete kit that upgrades my STTNG which looks neutral and is not overly pink or blue like many examples on the web.

Below you find a list of all the complete kits I found, most don't describe exactly which type of LED are being used and none of them has a picture of the results after conversion. So if you have done a conversion using one of these kits, please post a picture!

The shields seem to be an issue with most LEDs because they don't dim right after they are being hit. I don't know which kits have LEDs that support that dimming well.

If find pictures or more details I will update this post. Any input is welcome, also information on where to buy or download the anti-ghosting ROM.

The prices are including standard shipping to US.

http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/05-1713 171pcs kit $219.99
http://shop.cointaker.com/product.sc?productId=795&categoryId=40 super kit $272.90
http://shop.cointaker.com/product.sc?productId=238&categoryId=40 kit $251.90
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GS-STTNG-LED-K1 171pcs high intensity kit $225.09
http://www.pinball-led.com/ Flicker-free Hyper Bright EUR124,70 is about $165
http://www.pinballcenter.eu/catalog/star-trek-the-next-generation-noflix-led-playfield-kit-p-1387.html noflix kit 36+74 EUR32.04+EUR70.77+EUR10 is about $150
http://www.pinballcenter.eu/catalog/star-trek-the-next-generation-noflix-plus-playfield-kit-p-791.html noflix PLUS kit 36+74 EUR32.04+EUR124.90+EUR10 is about $220
www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Trek-TNG-pinball-Complete-LED-Kit-STTNG-/251090695108 over 140 LED's $210,95

#2 6 years ago

Mixing and matching is totally fine. Some LED's and manufacturers are oober bright that you can see from space. The just right kits I like are the Noflix ones but Cointakers are nice also.

#3 6 years ago

I would not buy a kit. The way I do it is I customize my own LED lighting. I buy from PinballCenter in Germany. Cointaker. BC Pinball. Pinballlife. For example. The worm hole insert I chose a custom color changing fast blink from cointaker. For the shield inserts I used 555 teal noflix plus Super flux from PinballCenter. I had ghosting issues with mode inserts. I used cointaker nonghosting LED's for those. I used Cool White 47 3 LED .69 cents for most of the GI around playfield. I used BC Pinball 4x 47 blue frosted LED's for the inlanes. I used 555 Blue LED flashers for inside the BORG ship from Cointaker. Most kits I have seen use yellow for the kickback standup targets . You need to use Orange to match insert perfect. Back box was hard. I used cointaker mini's coolwhite in a lot of sockets to cut down on glare from back box onto playfield glass. Behind Data, I used warm white mini's cointaker. I used Cointaker color changing 555 Slow Fade behind Enterprise and the tracker beam on back box. Behind the words STAR TREK there ar Flashers. I used 555 blue LED flashers from cionTaker, looks awesome. On the back box the crew members red shirts looked spotty with any LED. There you should use 555 incandescent behind the red shirts. I used Cool white Frosted any GI light socket that is insight line of eyes to cut glare. Do your own Kit. It will come out better. Hope this helps. Rob

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#4 6 years ago

Sorry to highjack the thread but I have a question.

I have only seen one source for transparent rubber and that being pinball center. Anybody use any of their rubbers and how have they worked out for you. I only bring this up because they are mentioned as a LED source.

BTW, are there any other sources for the transparent rubber?

#6 6 years ago

I am not crazy about led's in all machines..but RobKnapp, I do like how you have done your machines (lotr as well)....and i like how you did your sttng (much better than mine).

#7 6 years ago
Quoted from Vyzer2:

I am not crazy about led's in all machines..but RobKnapp, I do like how you have done your machines (lotr as well)....and i like how you did your sttng (much better than mine).

Thanks chief !

#8 6 years ago

I am pretty sure that I ordered my kit from Marco and it's perfect. It was a cointaker kit when it arrived so they must just sell CT's stuff I guess.

I get the whole "don't buy a kit" thing now...I picked up a TF Pro with a CT kit in it and you could barely see the purple inserts because they sent mini's, etc. But the STTNG is very nice, I don't think you can do better on your own.

#9 6 years ago

I really like my container premium kit. Unfortunately Marco doesn't sell the premium kit. They only sell the regular one.

#10 6 years ago

So the Marco kits are just the Cointaker kits for a lower price? Good to know.

#11 6 years ago
Quoted from RobKnapp:

I would not buy a kit. The way I do it is I customize my own LED lighting.

We would tend to agree. A sample pack with various colors can really let you customize the game and tailor the lighting/colors to what YOU like. See our sample pack here: http://www.niftyled.com/Sample-Packs-c166/ We have given a lot of thought to producing kits but then we feel that the customer just gets what WE think is best, and not what YOU think is best.

Consider buying a sample pack and if you want to PM us, we'd be happy to put together a sample pack that would work best for your game.

We feel that experimenting and testing lights in different ways is part of the fun of "LEDing" your game.

We are also happy to be a resource, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask!

#12 6 years ago

The thing is, I don't want to waste my time by opening up the machine and trying what work best to later find that others already have assembled a good looking combination. Also I will not be the best to do this as I am not good with colors. RobKnapp his machine looks very nice but if I would like to reproduce that I would have to buy LEDs from three different shops and to calculate how many of which type of LEDs I exactly need.

I just want to spend the minimum amount of time on upgrades and maintenance and most toime on playing the machine. The main reason for choosing LEDs is that I don't have to spend time anymore to replace bulbs.

#13 6 years ago

I used the Marco Spec kit, I think they pretty much got it right, there are a few things I would change, but that's just a personal issue with me. And it is totally cheaper than buying the lamps individually. I also got the DM kit from them, I like that one as well.
FYI, be prepared to send a lot of time doing the upgrade, it is a ton of lamps, and you need to pull the subway ramp to get all the new ones installed. I didn't do that since mine is routed and those lamps still work.

#14 6 years ago
Quoted from Bumper:

So the Marco kits are just the Cointaker kits for a lower price? Good to know.

Get verification on that from a second person...I think it was Marco but it could have been Mad or PBLife...

#15 6 years ago

Yes Marco uses cointaker kits, at least on the two I bought.

#16 6 years ago
Quoted from Bumper:

. RobKnapp his machine looks very nice but if I would like to reproduce that I would have to buy LEDs from three different shops and to calculate how many of which type of LEDs I exactly need.

Ok. But be advised that you will need many 555 & 47 LED's that have extension wires leads that go to the LED (flex style ).

Quoted from Bumper:

The shields seem to be an issue with most LEDs because they don't dim right after they are being hit. I don't know which kits have LEDs that support that dimming well.

For the shields PinballCenter No FlixPlus Superflux are your best option as they are the best for a slower no/off period. So At least entertain ordering 8 (2)extra only need 6 Teal T10 (555) NoFlixPlus SuperFux from the German company for the Shield. You can order playfield insert Kit only. I would look into CoinTaker super bright for the playfield. But you should ask Melissa to include nonghosting LED's to the kit for the mode inserts because they may ghost and she will do it if you ask her. The GI CoinTaker SMD super bright LED sit almost flush with the playfield. Causing the LED to be to Low and will shine in your eyes not good. I would just order 35 .69 cent 3 LED coolwhite 47 from PinballLife they sit almost a 1/2 inch above playfield and project the light out well & will not shine in your eyes. There. So you have Playfield inserts covered. Kit from CoinTaker. GI. Covered 35 3 LED 47 .69 cool white from pinballLife. All you need is back box. You do not want them to bright causing glare . Throw Niftyled a crumb since they commented on your thread. Order there .69 cent 555 Cool white frosted for the back box. I just took off my Back Glass and counted them for you. Order 40. You only need 37. Get 40. From Niftyled. You are done. Save yourself some money and skip the flashers. Or Order a Flasher Kit from CoinTaker. I love LED's and the creative part of making my configuration . But I think if you do as I have just suggested you will save money and your ST:TNG LED conversion will be awesome. Peace.

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#17 5 years ago

Sorry to dig up this old thread, but I really like what Rob is talking about. I have a few questions, though:

1. Does the CoinTaker playfield kit come with the flexible LEDs that you mentioned needing? The picture on Marco just shows normal bulbs.
2. I love the way you have different colors in the mode inserts. Are those color changing, or are they fixed colors? Are they part of the CT playfield kit? And, are they flex?
3. The colors on your backbox really pop, which is super awesome. Did you put any colored LEDs behind there (besides the tractor beam) to make that happen, or are they all just white?

Thanks!

#18 5 years ago

Cointaker Kits use the type of bulbs that work best in each particular insert (flex, super, 5HP, etc). They make good choices with the colors, but you can do better yourself.

Best thing to do is just order your own bulbs separately....it's half the fun!. If you get confused on what to order, ask them to email you the kit bulb list for your machine. The list provides a good guide when visually comparing, then you can order the colors you want. I used 2LED non-ghosting premiums on most the inserts, Frosted cool white premiums on most the GI & supers on the backbox. There are alot of white inserts on the STTNG playfield, so you can get creative & really make it pop

#19 5 years ago

I used to be a "kit" guy till i started doing my own style....

MY next LED affair will be buying in bulk, and i will probably try the Pinball blub guys for that...

you can do more machines for less money, and do them the way you want... it has been working well so far...

i bought a crap ton of LED's from a buddy of mine, and have gone through them all, and i am jones'in to finish the rest of the SYS80 games up...

the KITS are quite abit more expensive, thatn the bulk route...

#20 5 years ago
Quoted from Gerry:

the KITS are quite abit more expensive, thatn the bulk route...

Just an FYI, pinballbulbs prices the kits as a result of the cost of what's in them. There's no mark up. If you ordered all the parts separately, you would get the same price. The only reason the pinballbulbs kits are similar prices to say cointaker is because of the added extras you get like spotlights, lightstrips, etc.

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#21 5 years ago

Has anybody tried the pinballbulbs kit for the STNG? They apparently use a ROM replacement to eliminate ghosting, as opposed to using non-ghosting bulbs. Any insight is appreciated. Also, is there any published listing of how many bulbs of each specific type and color that one would need for an STNG LED upgrade? Thanks in advance!

#22 5 years ago

Their pictures look Amazing! Mark and James do an unprecedented Job with their Kits.
If its a kit you want. PBB, and CT...if you want to build your own, all vendors will provide loose bulbs, and savings.

Its not a tough decision either way....

My 2 cents.

Art

#23 5 years ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

Their pictures look Amazing! Mark and James do an unprecedented Job with their Kits.
If its a kit you want. PBB, and CT...if you want to build your own, all vendors will provide loose bulbs, and savings.
Its not a tough decision either way....
My 2 cents.
Art

Based on what I have read here, I may want to "mix and match", but I am having some issue finding the number/type/color of bulbs that seem most natural for the game. I like the look of RobKnapp's game picture, but I am having a hard time deciphering exactly how many of each sort of bulb to get. Thats why the "kit" idea appeals to me. The cost just doesnt, especially if I end up wanting to swap out a few!

#24 5 years ago

I have the pinballbulbs kit in my STTNG and love it. I think I had to swap like 5 LEDs from the kit to something else because I didn't like the look. They did include the non-ghosting ROM.

#25 5 years ago

I hear you.....The "knowledge" plus the time to pick, is the "Value" of a Kit.
Both CT and PBB, have invested a good deal of time to create these, and have been successful to work hard and make available.

Whats Most natural to others, may not be whats right for you.

A pen and paper and about a half hour you can create your own kit.
If you are looking to Brighten the Whole game, Strips, Spots, are available from Venddors, and we carry increased
GI bulbs to make the lighting there soar. All these work.....Even after you finish that, Star Trek needs to have the dimming set to "OFF" or An OCD board from Herg, to cover the nuances of fine tuning this game.

If you are simply looking for a "list" you can try pinballcenter.eu

If you have only one game, a kit is likely your best option, but if you have more, or plan on more, you may want to stock up, and enjoy customizing the game to your tastes.

There is no "wrong", but the work that vendors do, CT and PBB, (sorry Nifty too!) as examples are well worth the money, if you dont want to put the time in yourself.

Overall, you may "error" on the side of $25-$35 in extra bulbs, but you will have a sharper game.
This way you do a "quick count" Or you can buy 350 bulbs for a kit price of $200 Double your needs....and have Fun!

(You can return what you dont use,....but we like if you keep um!)

Art
cometpinball

#26 5 years ago
Quoted from oopsallberrys:

I have the pinballbulbs kit in my STTNG and love it. I think I had to swap like 5 LEDs from the kit to something else because I didn't like the look. They did include the non-ghosting ROM.

Can you post some pictures? Which bulbs weren't you happy with, and what did you change them to? I am a bit worried ahoy RobKnapps comments that the GI bulbs in the CT kit lie low and create some glare when playing. Any thoughts? Thanks!

#27 5 years ago
Quoted from oopsallberrys:

I have the pinballbulbs kit in my STTNG and love it. I think I had to swap like 5 LEDs from the kit to something else because I didn't like the look. They did include the non-ghosting ROM.

How long did it take you to install the whole kit? Did you need to remove any play field parts - or the underbelly tunnels?

#28 5 years ago
Quoted from Docray1:

How long did it take you to install the whole kit? Did you need to remove any play field parts - or the underbelly tunnels?

tunnels, no. plastics, yes. a lot of the GI are 44's that are underneath playfield plastics. i remember the upper left side, underneath the borg ramp, being the worst. you also have to remove the wireforms to get to a couple.

also underneath there's a small board or two that are covering up a couple sockets, and your life will be much easier if you unscrew them and let them hang while you change the bulbs. adds maybe 5 minutes, as opposed to 20 minutes of flexing and reaching and grunting trying to reach those sockets with the boards still attached.

#29 5 years ago

I have the pinballbulbs.com ST:TNG kit and it's awesome. See screenshots here:

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/leds-where-to-purchase-game-kits-if-its-not-cointaker#post-1211696

It looks more blue in the screens than it does in person...instantly modernized the game and it looks right at home next to Metallica Premium.

Recommended wholeheartedly.

#30 5 years ago

LEDs look brighter in pictures but you get the idea. I can't remember which ones I had to swap out from the kit but here is the order information that I have. I am pretty sure this order was just for STTNG LEDs.

I swapped LEDs when I did a teardown cleaning. There are lots of bulbs under plastics and it does help to at least loosen up the tunnel underneath since there are bulbs directly behind it. I ended up not using the LED strip that came with the kit.

1 x Clear 44/47 Green
1 x Flex 44/47 Red No ghosting Plus+
3 x Clear 555 Warm White
1 x Flex 44/47 Warm White Non-Ghosting Plus+
1 x Flex 44/47 Green No ghosting Plus+
1 x Clear 44/47 Cool White
1 x Flex 44/47 Blue Non-Ghosting Plus+
2 x Flex 44/47 Purple Non-Ghosting Plus+
1 x Flex 44/47 Pink Non-Ghosting Plus+
1 x Frosted 555 Blue No Ghosting Plus+
1 x Frosted 555 Green No Ghosting Plus+

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#31 5 years ago

I appreciate your wanting a ready to go kit. There is some personal taste. Some games are just too bright for me. Perhaps you could tell one of the smaller shops (one more willing to deal with you) what you have in some of your other games.

My personal tastes are warm white and not too bright. I have Cointaker 2 LED warm whites under my playfield in all the inserts, but #47 incandescents in my GI. The game looks really nice.

I find LED pictures nearly impossible to show how good they look in person. Heres a few pics.

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#32 5 years ago

Thanks to all! Interesting how the pinballbulb kit seems to add a significant bluish/purple hue, while the CT kit is much warmer looking. I wonder if that's a real observation or due to the pictures?

#33 5 years ago

Pinballbulbs kit definitely adds purple/blueish hue. The spotlights it comes with uses purple LEDs. I think it looks good with the purple on the playfield. Definitely makes the game appear newer.

#34 5 years ago

i know a lot of people prefer warm white especially on older machines, but games like this with a space theme look wonderful with cool white or other cool-spectrum colors like purple or blue.

#35 5 years ago

I just got a new STLE game. The bluish hue is similar to the newer Stern game, so I know what that is like. Once again, thanks for all the counsel!

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#36 2 years ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

I hear you.....The "knowledge" plus the time to pick, is the "Value" of a Kit.

If you are simply looking for a "list" you can try pinballcenter.eu

There is no "wrong", but the work that vendors do, CT and PBB, (sorry Nifty too!) as examples are well worth the money, if you dont want to put the time in yourself.

Art
cometpinball

Pinball Center's free downloadable diagram shows the playfield layout. I added the color scheme from the factory (assuming the couple bulbs I had out in the Borg and Shuttle were white). The file also includes their choice of LED replacements as a kit. Worth the download for those researching.

All blank circles are white, hopefully this helps others who are thinking about upgrading to LEDs (as I am) and want a vanilla starting point.

Of course, this is only the playfield...Cheers!

The Grand Lunar

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