Wow,a lot of this and that about both pins huh??Sorry to hear Aurich traded his ST! To each his own!Ive owned my ST/Pre now for16months,and i play a few hours a day on it alone.I can make all the shots now,even a backhand away team shot,but still fall short of many of you here! For my collection i eventually want all the ST pins in one group!I think they all present a fun time,but if space is a problem,then you have to chose!And for Aurich,i still can't seem to put out all those dam red lights without draining,but because of you,my pin art wows my friends who see it,and warp 9.9??maybe next year! so,ST vs STNG,choose wisely,peace