IJ is the only choice......that you put on the poll.

I prefer STTNG by a long shot....but I don't really like widebodies that much. I'd probably sell both personally haha

STTNG by default.

IJ...but i love the theme

While I happen to think STTNG is the better game, a fully restored IJ is quite the sight to behold. As a collector, I think it makes more sense for you to keep the one that is nicer.

For me I would keep STTNG, though both are great games.

There should be an edit button next to the number of votes.

I have owned and restored both...
My vote (if I could) STTNG.
Love IJ miss it but STTNG is such a better overall game.
Would have IJ again and will if the price keeps reasonable.

STTNG

Ij. I may be in the minority here but I like the gameplay - it is a pinball adventure . The theme is great of course and I have to agree with gweem that a fully restored game is beautiful

me too

STTNG

You know I still got one for you whenever you're ready to pick it up

ST:TNG by a long shot. It's tied with Tron:LE as my #1 pin.

Later,
EV

STTNG hands down

Keep the one you like best and sell the other one.

st:tng

Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to edit another users polls. I believe robin is the only person who can do that. You should be able to edit your own, however. I know I can.

It's a toss up IMO. Both great games. IJ wins in theme. STTNG wins in rules.

STTNG

Keep IJ, I wish I still had mine and I don't miss my STTNG nearly as much.

Kevin

STTNG

Guess....

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Ditto.

Owned both games. STTNG by far is the superior game.

STTNG.

IJ by a mile. I mean, 12 different modes, 3 different and random video modes, 6 ball multiball, great theme as it ties in all three of the classic movies into one game, great art....its ALMOST the perfect game. Only thing it lacks in my opinion is that it doesn't really have a skill shot and it would be cool to have a spinner somewhere's on the game. Other then that its a awesome game and mine will never leave.
STTNG just never did anything for me even back when it was new.

John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, Mi.
269-979-3836

owned both, still own IJ so that's my pick, but they are both great games. I miss my STTNG a lot and probably would pick one up later, it was harder for me as a novice player, I didn't really understand how to beat it.

if you are looking to get rid of the ST:TNG pm me with a price. i would like to add one to my collection

christopher

If you're on the fense then sell the more expensive one. You seem to be happy equally with either do you may as well maximize the money you put into your pocket. That probably means sell the IJ. Probably be $6000-7000 for the restored condition or more.

In order to properly answer this question, one has to understand how Pinballer22 approaches the hobby. The main reason I suggested that he keeps the IJ is because I know how critical he can be when it comes to the condition of his games. Whenever possible, he likes them to be flawless. The IJ fits this criteria, whereas he would probably just end up trading the STTNG away for a nicer one somewhere down the road.

IJ. I would say "not close" even and I like ST:TNG show and machine.

Personally, I'd keep IJ but...

...keep the one you enjoy more.

ST:TNG

One good option is to try and sell them both at the price you want.. Keep the one that does not sell first.

Keep IJ. I love both pins, but I know STTNG's are cheaper and you can get one later down the road.

STTNG by a mile.

Are you guys kidding? Sttng is nowhere near as deep as IJ, not by a long shot, and everything feels like the same game over and over with the same starting sequences seeming to be more repetitive with sttng than any other machine. “[nerdy ST villain] what are you doing here?”...

IJ is such a good machine, more PLAYABLE modes than any other machine, so many combos shots available from the ramps and orbits, probably the best mini PF.... Man I'm baffled...

Don't get me wrong, sttng is a good machine, but play wise it's not close to IJ.

Atomic boy you hit the nail on the head

If only the poll wasn't borked.

Could have been as epic as the TZ vs LOTR Deathmatch (that pretty much ended in a tie)
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tz-vs-lotr-deathmatch

There are a lot of reasons sttng is the better game. It doesn't have as many modes, that's for sure. IJ modes are probably better than any other game out there. But comparing the two:

playfield--sttng flows better, has the third flipper. Advantage sttng
modes--IJ has more modes and they're some of the best in pinball, advantage IJ
strategy--this is where sttng kills IJ. On IJ, you either go for modes or multiball, those are the only options worth going for basically. Modes do not effect the wizard mode though, and that's the key omission. On sttng, you have to beat the modes to score high as they add to the wizard mode, and there's more to do besides modes and multiball (warp factors, neutral zone, holodeck). The mode thing adds more intensity to the game...on IJ, if you fail a mode, no big deal. On sttng if you fail a mode, that's critical to wizard mode scoring. The other issue is that a lot of times it feels like shots in IJ have no scoring or purpose outside of modes or multiball. Like shooting the non-dogfight ramp in IJ scores basically nothing and helps you zero. Whereas every shot in st:tng outside of a mode has a purpose (warp, advance rank, neutral zone, explosive missions, lock ball, etc).

That's why I favor sttng over IJ. Theme and modes are definitely better on IJ, it's just the gameplay and strategy on sttng are better (in my opinion). I still do really like IJ though, I like it better than TZ.

ij all the way

Outside of modes there is nothing to do in IJ??? All ramps and orbits light up for different combo shots, opening up the left and right loops, corresponding to the characters collected (or after they are collected, I'm still entirely sure how that works completely). There is the captive ball that starts another mini mode. There is lighting the path of adventure, and over and over trying to roll over the lights to increase the pit value, there is super jets, there is loading up the dogfight ramp”s” and collecting (yeah, hitting one at the wrong time should give you no points), there are mini bonuses in the hand of fate, and not to mention all the modes are very well thought out, and different, and very challenging, especially for mid 90s. Of course, there is a the MB, which is easy for no pinheads to load up, however loading up double and triple jackpots, than cashing triples is a challenge, not to mention cashing three jackpots to light the super at the captive. There is the narrow escape which one of the very coolest features in pinball, along with the ideal locking mech.

I don’t know man, there is a little more to do than the modes...

I do wish someone would mod all b/w game roms so that you had to finish or hit a certain goal to collect the mode, but even without that, IJ is far far deeper than STTNG. Again, STTNG is a good machine (if you can get by all that nerd trek crap, which I can’t), but IJ is IMO is deeper than TZ, and only second to LAH for depth in the 90s.

Are you serious? Your into pinball right?? Not traditionally considered the hobby of the cool dudes. Too bad you can't get over that stigma because its one of the best pins out there.

Taking the theme out of the conversation and only talking about gameplay, if your goal is to put up a great score each time you play then IJ becomes a shallow, one dimensional game.

The biggest problem with IJ is that it's scoring is very imbalanced. The values of the jackpots, their multipliers and the super jackpots completely neuter everything else in the game. Which causes players to not care about modes, ramps or other parts of the game.

ST:TNG is a much more balanced game and gives a player multiple ways to put up great scores, but it also rewards for taking riskier paths. Play only multiball or play Warp factors, or play ramp combos, or let it all hang out and get Final Frontier with crap loads of artifacts. All are good strategies.

Don't get me wrong, IJ is still a great game. Just one that has a flawed rulesheet.