Great, now we are Meta-whining.

You must be talking about Stern. Please remove any reference to JJP when it comes to complaining about code. JJP is the only pinball company that puts out regular and substantial code updates with unique rules that you won't find elsewhere. Over a dozen updates for WOZ in a 6 month period, 1 big update a month for The Hobbit for 4 months straight, etc.

Good lord, get over yourself with the JJP defense stuff. They ship with beta code just like stern does. Stern and JJP both make good games. Both have great coders and both have put out extremely unique diversely coded games.

I know. Even games back to 1977 were missing code. They have to stop.

They release code but not the game.

I just expect to have incomplete code when you buy a brand new just released pin. Be part of the effort to email stern issues or ideas you have about changes. Not sure if it helps but finally they shut the upper flippers off on my wwe le when your not in the ring.

You get what you put up with. Always.

And whining about people whining because they get incomplete code is going to change what? Or are you just needing to blame someone for something today? lol

Stop whining about code and start whining about lackluster writing.

So does this mean you are meta-meta-whining?

There are legitimate issues affecting most of the current pinball companies ("pinball is hard", remember?) and the frustration is understandable, as is the desire to commiserate among like-minded people. But why must things always devolve to the point of unproductive sniping or overt conflict/insults? Are we really having any fun at that point (which I thought WAS the point)?

My unsolicited advice to the malcontents is to step away from the screen and have some actual fun for a change. Play pinball, ride a bike, go for a walk, go fishing, play a round of golf, enjoy a bacon-wrapped peppered filet with a nice CA Cab, get laid (ladies dig pinball dudes, after all), shoot something, smoke a joint, go autocrossing, sip a good single-malt and listen to Bill Evans, make a child laugh, hug your mom - whatever it takes to decompress that tightly coiled spring a bit! Pinball SHOULD NOT cause anxiety disorders or hypertension!

Ohhh, I love these threads...

Exactly cause every game is unfinished to some extent.

Yeah, but it was 1.5 years late....so they had plenty of time.

Even Log Cabin needs a code update.

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Stop reading threads about people bitching about incomplete codes and you wont have to get your panties in such a wad. Its YOUR fault that YOU read threads about people bitching about incomplete codes, yes YOU!!! I have zero sympathy for people who read threads that they KNOW is going to piss them off, but they read them anyway...... (contents edited)

Except one updates code in a timely fashion and the other does not.

I'm tired of people whining about meta whining whining about meta whining whining about code.

The people complaining about code quality aren't the ones buying LEs day one.

This thread isn't even complete yet. Is Stern the OP?

Can't argue either of these points - but this is a pinball forum. Pinball discussion is what its all about.

Peace and love.

I was just being funny and replying back to the OP exactly the way that he posted and I got in trouble by the mods lol. There was no anger intended in my post, I was just being funny. There was anger Iin his post however and his post didnt get edited. Funny how that works. Oh well.....