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Stop calling it restored when it's not


By timab2000

1 year ago



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    #51 1 year ago
    Quoted from timab2000:

    I already did a post on that as well. I guess I am just a glass half full kind of guy.

    Well I understand what you mean all I do is they can say what ever they want too but when u see them and in your own mind this is not right and more on too the next one don't buy and look for something else

    #52 1 year ago

    Ok I was just looking at the classified section to see what the dropdown box has for options if you are selling a game.
    I would suggest eliminating the all options except for the following.

    NIB
    Fully Restored (full original status)
    Used shows wear 100% working and clean
    Used shows wear needs some work
    Functional needs major work
    As is

    I think most games fall into the two used categories. Everything else to me is pointless. Just my opinion.

    #53 1 year ago
    Quoted from timab2000:

    Anyway on to the next big thing.......

    Someone started a thread on the crappy pinball movies that get posted to youtube. I thought he had some valid points but his post went nowhere; Such as the ones where the movie maker has one flipper going while he is also trying to manage the camera.

    You could lay your magic on that and see where it goes

    #54 1 year ago

    I heard "Yanni".

    #55 1 year ago
    Quoted from timab2000:

    I must have a different idea of what restored is compared to some other people

    This is it. /end thread. Really not much else to it.

    #56 1 year ago
    Quoted from spinal:

    More often than not, sellers know more about all the things wrong with the machine than you will as a buyer and they will not share that info with you. You must test and find out for yourself.
    If the seller’s knowledge horizon is further than yours, than that is the cost of being a newbie. This is the unfortunate reality so I’ve learned it’s up to me to check and what I don’t check I have to take responsibility for when I buy.

    I agree with all this, but I also think a seller should allow a buyer to take his time to inspect the machine. And even let me play multiple games on it. Sorry, but a quick 3-8 minute game is not enough time to make sure the game functions. I would like at least 3 decent length games. Not for the joy of playing. But, to make sure everything works and resets and comes back and all that jazz. Its like dude. You posted that game for sale 3-4 weeks ago. It won't kill you to let me make sure all the switches are working and that there aren't any mech issues.

    My first pin purchase there was a tiny tell tale sign that I noticed, but i didn't think was a major issue. Turns out it was and now I have a huge old paperweight for a machine. Not blaming anyone except myself. But, it truly is a live and learn experience. As for the bricked machine, I think I will just buy another of that model and keep my original for parts.

    #57 1 year ago

    Somebody should come up with a list from level 1 -10 with 1 being wiped down with a rag and 10 being a HEP restore.

    #58 1 year ago

    Man I have had sooo many different buyers buy machines from me over the years. From a guy who drives all the way across the country to buy a TAFG for 10k and doesn't even play it! "Wrap it up, here is your money, see ya" to two guys that show up to buy a Road Show that just want to play my games. It's funny, out of all the games I have sold not one person ever put a machine into test switch mode to check the switches, put into light test or any other test mode. Most people would just play a game. I might be a bit different from most. I am more interested in Physical condition of the play field and the cabinet then anything else. Anything that I can fix is low priority. Nice set of boards is probably next, but again, lower priority.

    #59 1 year ago
    Quoted from whthrs166:

    Man I have had sooo many different buyers buy machines from me over the years. From a guy who drives all the way across the country to buy a TAFG for 10k and doesn't even play it! "Wrap it up, here is your money, see ya" to two guys that show up to buy a Road Show that just want to play my games. It's funny, out of all the games I have sold not one person ever put a machine into test switch mode to check the switches, put into light test or any other test mode. Most people would just play a game. I might be a bit different from most. I am more interested in Physical condition of the play field and the cabinet then anything else. Anything that I can fix is low priority. Nice set of boards is probably next, but again, lower priority.

    You're right about the test modes... Some of the older pins though the test modes confuse me. But, also there could be an electrical problem and all the switches can still pass the test modes, but then later on you find out that the switches are not firing properly. And I think if you're looking for a specific pin, you're more willing to not give a crap. As long as it looks nice when you pick it up.
    You'll worry about how it works once/if it survives the trip back to your home.

    Also, I want to know how strong the pops are and how strong the flippers are, along with the other stuff. The kickbacks, the scoops. Any other mech the game might have. I need to know how they function. That is why I want to play a few games. And then possibly still be able to take the glass off and just operate the switches by themselves. It doesn't take long. And I only showed up, because I will buy it. Provided its not a turd.

    #60 1 year ago
    Quoted from Diospinball:

    My first pin purchase there was a tiny tell tale sign that I noticed, but i didn't think was a major issue. Turns out it was and now I have a huge old paperweight for a machine. Not blaming anyone except myself. But, it truly is a live and learn experience. As for the bricked machine, I think I will just buy another of that model and keep my original for parts.

    I'd like to hear this story.

    #61 1 year ago
    Quoted from PoMC:

    I'd like to hear this story.

    Well, the ten cent version of the story is as follows:

    I drove 6 hours to pick up the pin with my brother. As stated its my first pin. New to the hobby, but I did a lot of research, watched videos, and was browsing online for many months for what pin to buy. With all that being said I still knew nothing, and I slightly overpaid to boot. Especially since his pin was listed on both ebay and pinside and was cheaper on pinside, but i foolishly and accidentally paid the higher ebay cost. Oh, well. They have buyer protections, and more fees. So not really a big deal. Just a minor grump.

    While testing the machine(and this was a machine I knew the rules really well on) I had only one more shot to go on the captive ball shot to get an extra ball. Well I hit a different shot which was nowhere near the captive ball, and then I hear and see the EXTRA BALL animation. I commented about that being strange and not hitting the shot. But, perhaps there was another way for that shot to register.

    Turns out chip on the mpu board was already showing tell tale signs of not being able to work properly. An then over the next few(and I mean few) months of my ownership, it got worse and worse with the chip misreading and firing random switches and not the ones I actually triggered, until finally the whole thing just stopped working.

    If I would have done my research I would have known breakshot's and capcoms are rare machines. I did know the rare part, but I still thought, hey its technology, can't be hard to fix, because someone somewhere should be able to fix it. Turns out these chips for the MPU board are very rare, and very costly. So that puts a damper on me wanting to even get it fixed. Even though I love the game...

    Not a horribly interesting story. But, I did catch that fault. But, I wasn't smart enough to realize what had happened. A learning experience, but a costly one.
    The seller was a nice guy, and I don't think he knew what was going on. No ill will or malice to him. And today I still wish him the best. He even was the one who verified me for pinside.

    #62 1 year ago
    Quoted from Diospinball:

    Well, the ten cent version of the story is as follows:
    I drove 6 hours to pick up the pin with my brother. As stated its my first pin. New to the hobby, but I did a lot of research, watched videos, and was browsing online for many months for what pin to buy. With all that being said I still knew nothing, and I slightly overpaid to boot. Especially since his pin was listed on both ebay and pinside and was cheaper on pinside, but i foolishly and accidentally paid the higher ebay cost. Oh, well. They have buyer protections, and more fees. So not really a big deal. Just a minor grump.
    While testing the machine(and this was a machine I knew the rules really well on) I had only one more shot to go on the captive ball shot to get an extra ball. Well I hit a different shot which was nowhere near the captive ball, and then I hear and see the EXTRA BALL animation. I commented about that being strange and not hitting the shot. But, perhaps there was another way for that shot to register.
    Turns out chip on the mpu board was already showing tell tale signs of not being able to work properly. An then over the next few(and I mean few) months of my ownership, it got worse and worse with the chip misreading and firing random switches and not the ones I actually triggered, until finally the whole thing just stopped working.
    If I would have done my research I would have known breakshot's and capcoms are rare machines. I did know the rare part, but I still thought, hey its technology, can't be hard to fix, because someone somewhere should be able to fix it. Turns out these chips for the MPU board are very rare, and very costly. So that puts a damper on me wanting to even get it fixed. Even though I love the game...
    Not a horribly interesting story. But, I did catch that fault. But, I wasn't smart enough to realize what had happened. A learning experience, but a costly one.
    The seller was a nice guy, and I don't think he knew what was going on. No ill will or malice to him. And today I still wish him the best. He even was the one who verified me for pinside.

    Sounds like a paperweight. Throw it out before trash man wont even take it!


    #63 1 year ago
    Quoted from pacmanretro:

    Sounds like a paperweight. Throw it out before trash man wont even take it!

    No... Worst case, if it can't be repaired anymore. I'll buy another working breakshot and just part it out. Its in really good shape.. Just takes up a lot of space is all.

    #64 1 year ago

    May I ask what this unobtanium chip is that is causing a good condition machine to be for parts?

    Maybe there is some specific super rare part I am unaware of?

    #65 1 year ago
    Quoted from Diospinball:

    let me play multiple games on it. Sorry, but a quick 3-8 minute game is not enough time to make sure the game functions.

    One 'game' is enough. You pull the glass and check to see if everything works on the playfield. Just playing isn't a very effective way to test everything.

    #66 1 year ago
    Quoted from Crile1:

    Umm..."their"?

    Right... everysbodys no,s its is thar'es ...I mean rely...

    #67 1 year ago
    Quoted from pacmanretro:

    May I ask what this unobtanium chip is that is causing a good condition machine to be for parts?
    Maybe there is some specific super rare part I am unaware of?

    Trust me dude. There are only a handful of people who fix capcom boards. Spoke to the guy, he had like 2. And I know of one that got sent to him for repair. So yeah... It is a rare chip...

    I did have a guy from CGC tell me he might know of a guy who could fix it... Haven't heard back from the guy at CGC, and I doubt I will, and I don't want to bother him even though I have his number.

    #68 1 year ago

    I'm not aware of anything on a Capcom pinball that can't be fixed at a reasonable cost. The hardest stuff to get is plastics and dedicated parts for one game only. But pretty much everything is available.

    #69 1 year ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    One 'game' is enough. You pull the glass and check to see if everything works on the playfield. Just playing isn't a very effective way to test everything.

    If its a great game... Sure... But, if its a quick short game... Then no... And again... I want to see how the game restarts after it ends. Lots of things can go wonky after multiple games.

    So... No... I don't buy that. Sorry. Its not a big burden to ask to have 10-20 minutes to make sure the machine works.
    Because also with my breakshot issue. It started rebooting after 7-15 minutes of first play. It rebooted once and after that worked fine for the rest of the night(until it finally completely broke).

    So... Again... I'm buying something for probably 1-6k... Maybe even more... You can't give me that time to check for my investment.

    Well, then you don't want to sell, and what are you hiding.

    #70 1 year ago
    Quoted from sbmania:

    I'm not aware of anything on a Capcom pinball that can't be fixed at a reasonable cost. The hardest stuff to get is plastics and dedicated parts for one game only. But pretty much everything is available.

    Its the opto-switch chip on the mpu. It's fried and doesn't work. If you have contact info. I'd be glad to look it up and have it repaired. I was told starting price was 400 dollars. And that was the starting price for the fix... Could be more. With first class shipping and tracking. Both ways, that adds up, and then of course a minimum 10 week waiting period for repair.

    So I wanted to wait to see what really wanted to do.

    #71 1 year ago
    Quoted from Diospinball:

    Trust me dude. There are only a handful of people who fix capcom boards. Spoke to the guy, he had like 2. And I know of one that got sent to him for repair. So yeah... It is a rare chip...
    I did have a guy from CGC tell me he might know of a guy who could fix it... Haven't heard back from the guy at CGC, and I doubt I will, and I don't want to bother him even though I have his number.

    Well, if you spend all the money to buy a second machine, maybe you will decide to try selling the first one to another pinsider to repair or something instead of making there be one less of a game you said is already rare.

    Best wishes on geting it repaired. Hope it works out.

    Maybe try posting a thread on pinside asking for repair help/services.

    #72 1 year ago
    Quoted from pacmanretro:

    Well, if you spend all the money to buy a second machine, maybe you will decide to try selling the first one to another pinsider to repair or something instead of making there be one less of a game you said is already rare.
    Best wishes on geting it repaired. Hope it works out.
    Maybe try posting a thread on pinside asking for repair help/services.

    I've done so. And that is the extent of the help that I got.
    I also hired a professional pinball tech to initially repair it, and he couldn't. Hence the pinside post.

    As I said. I probably will go the route of buying another breakshot. And then keep the best pieces of it.
    My only issue with selling my machine.
    I really don't want to rip any one off. And even being open and telling the person about the issue. I just still don't like the idea of selling a non working machine to someone. Especially since I think 700-1,100 is still a fair asking price for it. Cab is in good shape. Mechs are all working, and the translite is mint.
    My hope... Is that someday a replacement board will be easily available. And that is why I haven't tossed it, or sold it. And I'm not going to toss it. I'd store it in my basement before I would ever do that.

    Trust me. I like to preserve these games too. Which is a minor reason why I didn't sell. Because, I could sell it and recoup some of my money back. But, then the person who bought it from me, might just junk it. And i'd hate for that to happen.

    #73 1 year ago
    Quoted from Diospinball:

    Lots of things can go wonky after multiple games.
    So... No... I don't buy that. Sorry. Its not a big burden to ask to have 10-20 minutes to make sure the machine works.
    Because also with my breakshot issue. It started rebooting after 7-15 minutes of first play. It rebooted once and after that worked fine for the rest of the night(until it finally completely broke).
    So... Again... I'm buying something for probably 1-6k... Maybe even more... You can't give me that time to check for my investment.
    Well, then you don't want to sell, and what are you hiding.

    Everyone has his or her way of testing a machine they want to buy. Some just want to look at it and pack it up others want to take a test drive around the block. As a seller I will draw the line at removing things like boards so someone can look at the back of them but beyond that I will accomadate my buyers
    wishes. A buyer needs to feel comfortable with his or her purchase by investigating the machine. The higher the cost the more it should be investigated.

    #74 1 year ago
    Quoted from whthrs166:

    Everyone has his or her way of testing a machine they want to buy. Some just want to look at it and pack it up others want to take a test drive around the block. As a seller I will draw the line at removing things like boards so someone can look at the back of them but beyond that I will accomadate my buyers
    wishes. A buyer needs to feel comfortable with his or her purchase by investigating the machine. The higher the cost the more it should be investigated.

    I've never said to remove the boards. Inspect the boards yes. But, not remove.
    And again. I don't go into a purchase without actually wanting to buy the machine. I'm not there to kick tires. Once I show up, the odds are likely I am leaving with that machine. But, again. if their are warning signs, I will thank the seller for his time and politely decline.

    This is why pre-sale correspondence is so important. That is a good time to get video of the game if possible. get more pictures if possible or needed, and also I would ask about the stairs. How many. The condition and slope. Possibly a picture of the stairs. And any difficult turns.
    I don't want to waste anyones time. But, I also want to make sure I get what I pay for. If I am buying a project or beater machine. then you have to be realistic with its condition. But, if I'm buying a RESTORED machine and it has gouges on the cab and playfield... Or broken plastics. Then yes, I might be hesitant to pay the full price. But, as stated that can be sorted out pre-sale. If your correspondence is both efficient an honest.

    #75 1 year ago
    Quoted from Diospinball:

    I've done so. And that is the extent of the help that I got.
    I also hired a professional pinball tech to initially repair it, and he couldn't. Hence the pinside post.
    As I said. I probably will go the route of buying another breakshot. And then keep the best pieces of it.
    My only issue with selling my machine.
    I really don't want to rip any one off. And even being open and telling the person about the issue. I just still don't like the idea of selling a non working machine to someone. Especially since I think 700-1,100 is still a fair asking price for it. Cab is in good shape. Mechs are all working, and the translite is mint.
    My hope... Is that someday a replacement board will be easily available. And that is why I haven't tossed it, or sold it. And I'm not going to toss it. I'd store it in my basement before I would ever do that.
    Trust me. I like to preserve these games too. Which is a minor reason why I didn't sell. Because, I could sell it and recoup some of my money back. But, then the person who bought it from me, might just junk it. And i'd hate for that to happen.

    With a fair price knowing it has some issues, and you being so upfront about problems...lots of people (myself included) love to buy projects to work on. As long as they know that it needs work, I think you would do fine selling it to the right person, no problem.

    I think the open honesty of problems it may have vs what has been fixed/redone ties in to this thread a little; In the sense that if you were claiming it was "mostly restored" or something and not disclosing details, that could be a problem. But you aren't claiming that... you are being more concerned the other way around and not wanting to over state the condition of machine.

    #76 1 year ago
    Quoted from Diospinball:

    Its the opto-switch chip on the mpu. It's fried and doesn't work. If you have contact info. I'd be glad to look it up and have it repaired. I was told starting price was 400 dollars. And that was the starting price for the fix... Could be more. With first class shipping and tracking. Both ways, that adds up, and then of course a minimum 10 week waiting period for repair.
    So I wanted to wait to see what really wanted to do.

    Don't hold me to this but it seems to me a few years back I recall I sent a board directly to Capcom in California and they repaired it for me at a reasonable price. You might try giving them a call.

    #77 1 year ago

    Restored used to, and still should, refer to a pin that's gone through what would be equivalent to a frame off restoration for a car.

    New playfield, new cabinet decals, all parts removed and tumbled, wiring harness cleaned, new ramps, etc = restored

    Taking some or even all parts off a game and cleaning them, cleaning an existing playfield and cabinet = shopped

    #78 1 year ago
    Quoted from Diospinball:

    Its the opto-switch chip on the mpu. It's fried and doesn't work. If you have contact info. I'd be glad to look it up and have it repaired. I was told starting price was 400 dollars. And that was the starting price for the fix... Could be more. With first class shipping and tracking. Both ways, that adds up, and then of course a minimum 10 week waiting period for repair.
    So I wanted to wait to see what really wanted to do.

    Are you talking about the LM339 chips? Or something else?

    #79 1 year ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Are you talking about the LM339 chips? Or something else?

    I don't know... I posted a long time ago on what was wrong. Don't think I ever mentioned the chips full name. I just made sure to ask the pinball repair guy if all I posted was correct. He said it was... But, long time ago. Just know its the chip that's on the main MPU board, and its responsible for recognizing all the switches. It is fried. Correct power and wattage goes to it... And thats really all I can remember before I go digging.

    #80 1 year ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Are you talking about the LM339 chips? Or something else?

    Okay... So here is all I know about the issue. It happened 8 months ago...
    The issue is with the main mpu board. Which is the small board that is attached on the same panel as the dmd.
    The pinball tech tested it with all the voltages and checked for broken wires. And he doesn't want to mess with it, because the chip in question is an embedded chip.

    This is what the repair tech said happens:
    "The game comes up but the center post keeps going up and down eventually fails the test like the game doesn't see the switch that says if the post is up or down. The switch itself is working. When opening the coin door the diagnostic screen does not come up. Again the switch is OK. To be sure I jumpered across J9 pins 9 and 10 on the CPU board and still no self test. Fuses are good. DC voltages are good. I reseated cables including the large ribbon cable and no change. It appears that the switch matrix is dead. I can see the voltages changing when grounding J9 pin 9. The first suspect IC in my mind would be U11 but the problem could be farther into the board."
    I've attached pictures of the board...

    Ps... to the poster who suggested I contact capcom... I like that idea... I don't know if it would lead anywhere. But, I think I might try to email them. Maybe perhaps they even have a few older boards just sitting around they could sell... Not likely... But, you never know. And its just an email to find out.

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