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Stolen Pins Found Thanks to Local Collectors-Legal Advice Sought


By Borygard

3 years ago



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    #199 3 years ago

    Why do people steal? Take your pick, mix and match:

    1. Jealousy (target has so much, criminal has so little, it's not fair!)
    2. Desperation (whatever it takes to survive another day)
    3. Sociopathy (missing bone in head that provides empathy)
    4. Revenge (for anything from a simple "dissing" to having been actually f'ed over)
    5. Incompetence (a la JPop/Skit-B, don't think they set out to defraud initially)

    ...and stir in a healthy portion of stupidity. Voilà, crime!

    My condolences on being put through this, Rob. Don't let it eat at you, it's just stuff.

    -30
    #200 3 years ago

    Well if anything i hope OP learns his lesson and dont store his valuable pinballs in remote, seldom visited places where thieves can work in peace and quiet for hours when breaking in.

    #201 3 years ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    If this place is only 3 weeks old, this guy bought those pinballs way before the shop was ever in business. Pawn shops have a 30 mandatory hold on merchandise that has been pawned before they can sell it. Which would make me believe the "owner" knows exactly where the other 3 games are. The guy(s) who stole them most likely dumped them off as a package deal to the owner. Thieves acquire and dump as fast as possible, they are not in the market to shop their goods around. This pawn shop is nothing more than a "front" for shady shit this guy is into.
    This is a somewhat educated inference, but guys like the above mentioned pawn shop owner are usually laundering money(drugs, phony contracts, theft, etc) when they have their hands in so many different businesses. When you mix contracting & trucking with laundromats & pawn shops red flags usually appear. Like they say, where there is smoke, there is fire. A typical Mid-West blue collar crime ring.
    Damn shame Rob A. is a victim in all this bullshit.

    It might be different if they weren't pawned, but sold.

    #202 3 years ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    guys like the above mentioned pawn shop owner are usually laundering money(drugs, phony contracts, theft, etc) when they have their hands in so many different businesses. When you mix contracting & trucking with laundromats & pawn shops red flags usually appear.

    Does he go by the nickname "Heisenburg"?

    #203 3 years ago

    I made a call to the pawn shop about the pins, and this was the response I got

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    #204 3 years ago

    LOL!
    Chum doesn't need to call in an expert according to him he is one.
    The only problem with that is once he starts to talk about them you realize he doesn't know Jack Schitt.

    #205 3 years ago
    Quoted from tracelifter:

    Chum doesn't need to call in an expert according to him he is one.

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    #206 3 years ago

    That show is so unbelievably stupid to someone like me who actually ran a Pawn shop.

    #207 3 years ago
    Quoted from Insane:

    It might be different if they weren't pawned, but sold.

    They couldn't have been pawned if the place has only been open 3 weeks.

    #208 3 years ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    They couldn't have been pawned if the place has only been open 3 weeks.

    Correct; Sold outright to the store owner or there on CONsignment....

    #209 3 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    Correct; Sold outright to the store owner or there on CONsignment....

    My guess is the owner bought these a few months back, probably all 7 of them.

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    #210 3 years ago
    Quoted from Luzur:

    Well if anything i hope OP learns his lesson and dont store his valuable pinballs in remote, seldom visited places where thieves can work in peace and quiet for hours when breaking in.

    You sound like the police officer that told me that it was my fault that my car window got kicked in and my GPS stolen a few years ago. "You shouldn't have it where someone could see it in your unattended car."

    Let's put some accountability and responsibility on others to demonstrate some self-control, self-decency, and not just be opportunists and take shit that doesn't belong to them.

    #211 3 years ago
    Quoted from Capinball:

    You sound like the police officer that told me that it was my fault that my car window got kicked in and my GPS stolen a few years ago. "You shouldn't have it where someone could see it in your unattended car."
    Let's put some accountability and responsibility on others to demonstrate some self-control, self-decency, and not just be opportunists and take shit that doesn't belong to them.

    I remember in the early-mid '80's when the new generation of radar detectors came out: Escort for $245.00 and Passport for $295.00 and they were getting stolen like crazy. Then some who were fed up were filling the shells with a certain powder and wiring a model rocket engine to the power connector. Gave new meaning to the term "one arm bandit".

    Illegal as hell and the person setting the booby trap is prosecuted in the US more than the thief. Something is wrong with this picture......

    #212 3 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    I remember in the early-mid '80's when the new generation of radar detectors came out: Escort for $245.00 and Passport for $295.00 and they were getting stolen like crazy. Then some who were fed up were filling the shells with a certain powder and wiring a model rocket engine to the power connector. Gave new meaning to the term "one arm bandit".
    Illegal as hell and the person setting the booby trap is prosecuted in the US more than the thief. Something is wrong with this picture......

    Sounds like a great idea if you could trust a thief to test the goods before pawning.....

    #213 3 years ago

    There are so many thieves now that the courts can't lock them up so now the cops blame the victim.
    The wife came home and told me the fog lights were not working, I checked the fuse and it was okay, walked around to the front and the fog lights were gone.
    My fault for not welding the nuts.
    I didn't even bother to report it, just a waste of time waiting hours for the cops to show up to take the report.

    -18
    #214 3 years ago
    Quoted from Capinball:

    You sound like the police officer that told me that it was my fault that my car window got kicked in and my GPS stolen a few years ago. "You shouldn't have it where someone could see it in your unattended car."
    Let's put some accountability and responsibility on others to demonstrate some self-control, self-decency, and not just be opportunists and take shit that doesn't belong to them.

    Well im sorry if i sounds like "Sheriff Truthsayer", but the world doesnt work like that now, so if i where him i would keep those pinballs abit closer to home and not out in the woods, where thieves can undisturbed for hours (?) lug out several pinballs and load them on a trailer without anyone seeing or hearing them.

    #215 3 years ago

    Rob, hopefully the cops can get this guy to tell where he offloaded the rest of your stuff. Good Luck...

    #216 3 years ago
    Quoted from Luzur:

    Well im sorry if i sounds like "Sheriff Truthsayer", but the world doesnt work like that now, so if i where him i would keep those pinballs abit closer to home and not out in the woods, where thieves can undisturbed for hours (?) lug out several pinballs and load them on a trailer without anyone seeing or hearing them.

    Ass-hat

    Sometimes life gets in the way and you do the best you can. It doesn't justify some junkie ripping off your stuff.

    #217 3 years ago

    Retain a good lawyer. At the very least, it's cheap insurance; that lawyer should be able to advise you as to what the pawn shop may or may not try to do in an effort to get you to give up those pins. In fact, try to get a lawyer soon enough that they can be present alongside the sheriff when you attempt to get the machines released so that you can show you mean business. And be prepared to ask, right there, that the sheriff file charges of them trafficking in stolen goods, and show you're absolutely prepared to file a civil suit right alongside the criminal charges.

    Basically, show it's going to be cheaper in time (and possibly money) to just give the machines back to you.

    #218 3 years ago
    Quoted from LynnInDenver:

    Retain a good lawyer. At the very least, it's cheap insurance; that lawyer should be able to advise you as to what the pawn shop may or may not try to do in an effort to get you to give up those pins. In fact, try to get a lawyer soon enough that they can be present alongside the sheriff when you attempt to get the machines released so that you can show you mean business. And be prepared to ask, right there, that the sheriff file charges of them trafficking in stolen goods, and show you're absolutely prepared to file a civil suit right alongside the criminal charges.
    Basically, show it's going to be cheaper in time (and possibly money) to just give the machines back to you.

    I like the way you think!

    #219 3 years ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    My guess is the owner bought these a few months back, probably all 7 of them.

    Yep, and the other 3 'missing' are in his basement. Took the cream of the crop for his mancave, and then figured he'd sell the rest. Probably why he's putting up so much resistance, as the trail might end up leading to those games as well.

    #220 3 years ago
    Quoted from Topher5000:

    I like the way you think!

    The way I look at it is, if I had to go back after having my authorized representative stone walled, taking time out of work to do so, I'm going in to make sure I'm either leaving with my 10-30k of property, or his ass in a tight sling, with that second visit.

    #221 3 years ago

    If you need help getting you pins back, I know just the guy!

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    #222 3 years ago
    Quoted from LynnInDenver:

    The way I look at it is, if I had to go back after having my authorized representative stone walled, taking time out of work to do so, I'm going in to make sure I'm either leaving with my 10-30k of property, or his ass in a tight sling, with that second visit.

    Good call! I doubt that a pawn shop owner has in his possession any guns, and has probably never dealt with irate customers either, and likely has no understanding of his legal rights. So your plan should probably go off without a hitch.

    #223 3 years ago

    She suggested bringing the lawyer along with the sheriff.

    #224 3 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Good call! I doubt that a pawn shop owner has in his possession any guns, and has probably never dealt with irate customers either, and likely has no understanding of his legal rights. So your plan should probably go off without a hitch.

    Your ability to read and follow a thread is astounding.

    Quoted from LynnInDenver:

    n fact, try to get a lawyer soon enough that they can be present alongside the sheriff when you attempt to get the machines released so that you can show you mean business. And be prepared to ask, right there, that the sheriff file charges of them trafficking in stolen goods, and show you're absolutely prepared to file a civil suit right alongside the criminal charges.
    Basically, show it's going to be cheaper in time (and possibly money) to just give the machines back to you.

    If the pawn shop owner thinks it will be in his best interest to pull a gun or make threats to the rightful property owner, his lawyer, and the sheriff he will not be in business long.

    #225 3 years ago
    Quoted from WonkoTSane:

    Your ability to read and follow a thread is astounding.

    Better re-read her second statement then if you're going to follow along

    #226 3 years ago

    i'd be watching craigslist and ebay closely for local activity. Now that this has been surfaced, he might be trying to unload the other games behind the scenes.

    #227 3 years ago

    Leave a sternly worded Yelp review.

    #228 3 years ago

    I'm pretty sure receiving stolen property is a crime in all 50 states. I would send out a demand letter. Then call him on the phone and suggest things would quiet down if you could just get your games back. But I'm betting dollars to donuts that your games are already disposed of. As soon has he saw your games pose a risk to his business (and quite possibly freedom), those games were busted up and on their way to the dump.

    #229 3 years ago
    Quoted from SadSack:

    I'm pretty sure receiving stolen property is a crime in all 50 states. I would send out a demand letter. Then call him on the phone and suggest things would quiet down if you could just get your games back. But I'm betting dollars to donuts that your games are already disposed of. As soon has he saw your games pose a risk to his business (and quite possibly freedom), those games were busted up and on their way to the dump.

    Indications are the police already know the games are there. Destroying them now would open him up to more charges, and less ability to plea bargain against the thief.

    #230 3 years ago

    Ski masks and a copy of how to water board in 10 easy lessons......

    #231 3 years ago

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/36700000441.html

    A quick Google search turned that up regarding stolen property at pawn shops.

    Imo, your best bet is to contact a lawyer. It will be a small cost for you compared to replacing your stolen pins.

    #232 3 years ago
    Quoted from Slim64:

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/36700000441.html
    A quick Google search turned that up regarding stolen property at pawn shops.
    Imo, your best bet is to contact a lawyer. It will be a small cost for him compared to replacing your stolen pins.

    I disagree. This is all straight forward and if your paperwork is in order and documented as stated in the statue, there should be zero issue.

    The real problem was the merchandise was being picked up by someone other than the "claimant" and the pawn shop saw this as a possible window to not have to return the merchandise and acted as such.

    It will only need an attorney if the "claimant" , Rob A., shows up with all the paperwork and the pawn shop owner then tells him to pound sand.

    #233 3 years ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    ...The real problem was the merchandise was being picked up by someone other than the "claimant" and the pawn shop saw this as a possible window to not have to return the merchandise and acted as such...

    But there was no problem. This was all worked out before hand with the Sheriff as previously stated, and it was perfectly fine with them. Whoever my "agent" was to gather my property for me was irrelevant.

    The pawn shop's comments to my friend was, "we need to be paid for them before they're going anywhere." It wouldn't have mattered who showed up, they weren't going to release them.

    --
    Rob Anthony
    Pinball Classics
    http://LockWhenLit.com
    Quality Board Work - In Home Service
    borygard at gmail dot com

    #234 3 years ago
    Quoted from Borygard:

    But there was no problem. This was all worked out before hand with the Sheriff as previously, and it was perfectly fine with them. Whoever my "agent" was to gather my property for me was irrelevant.
    The pawn shop's comments to my friend was, "we need to be paid for them before they're going anywhere." It wouldn't have mattered who showed up, they weren't going to release them.
    --

    That's why I recommended the lawyer. And having filing criminal charges as one of the options. He had stolen property; getting paid for should not have been on the table, and he should have been arrested right there for demanding it.

    #235 3 years ago

    LWYRUP

    #236 3 years ago
    Quoted from Borygard:

    But there was no problem. This was all worked out before hand with the Sheriff as previously, and it was perfectly fine with them. Whoever my "agent" was to gather my property for me was irrelevant.
    The pawn shop's comments to my friend was, "we need to be paid for them before they're going anywhere." It wouldn't have mattered who showed up, they weren't going to release them.

    Rob this is something that I would think you will need to go there and handle in person with all the proper paper work showing that these pins are your original property, and with the sheriff and proper legal representation as well.

    #237 3 years ago

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    #238 3 years ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    I disagree. This is all straight forward and if your paperwork is in order and documented as stated in the statue, there should be zero issue.
    The real problem was the merchandise was being picked up by someone other than the "claimant" and the pawn shop saw this as a possible window to not have to return the merchandise and acted as such.
    It will only need an attorney if the "claimant" , Rob A., shows up with all the paperwork and the pawn shop owner then tells him to pound sand.

    You are right, normally a lawyer is completely unnecessary. Unfortunately that isn't the case this time

    #239 3 years ago
    Quoted from centerflank:

    Drip some blood/semen into your cabinet, DNA is indisputable

    It reminds me of that scene from 'The Office", they take a black light in their hotel room and it shows stuff splashed all over the walls and sheets and Dwight says "I hope that's blood" LOL

    #240 3 years ago
    Quoted from Borygard:

    But there was no problem. This was all worked out before hand with the Sheriff as previously stated, and it was perfectly fine with them. Whoever my "agent" was to gather my property for me was irrelevant.
    The pawn shop's comments to my friend was, "we need to be paid for them before they're going anywhere." It wouldn't have mattered who showed up, they weren't going to release them.
    --
    Rob Anthony
    Pinball Classics
    http://LockWhenLit.com
    Quality Board Work - In Home Service
    borygard at gmail dot com

    Well, this is a whole different case now. If they are demanding payment before release, they are knowingly trying to sell stolen merchandise, your merchandise. PRESS CHARGES!

    #241 3 years ago

    go there, call the police, get the sheriff there. this is bs.

    make him prove the games are his...what proof does he have? when he starts getting in your face about taking the games make him rat out whomever sold him the games or you are taking them. just bring a crew of 10 or so people to start loitering around and start touching and picking up stuff when you just start loading up.

    I'm sorry Rob. this sucks.

    -c

    #242 3 years ago
    Quoted from Borygard:

    The pawn shop's comments to my friend was, "we need to be paid for them before they're going anywhere." It wouldn't have mattered who showed up, they weren't going to release them.

    Explain that to the sheriff who will then accompany you down to the pawn shop and if he's nice enough may help you load the pins onto your trailer.

    rd

    #243 3 years ago

    I had to LWYUP this morning. It sucks but if it has to be done, it has to be done.
    I'm in a dispute over a small track of land the highway is taking to add another lane. Been in my family since 1924. Have deeds going back to 1924. But the new zoning says it's not my land. YEAH RIGHT !!!! Even the county tax map still shows it's mine. But still had to get a lawyer to prove it. Estimated value of land is 6k. If I get 3k after lawyer fees I'll be happy.

    Scott

    #244 3 years ago

    In the end there is really only one man for this job.

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    #245 3 years ago
    Quoted from arcademojo:

    I had to LWYUP this morning. It sucks but if it has to be done, it has to be done.
    I'm in a dispute over a small track of land the highway is taking to add another lane. Been in my family since 1924. Have deeds going back to 1924. But the new zoning says it's not my land. YEAH RIGHT !!!! Even the county tax map still shows it's mine. But still had to get a lawyer to prove it. Estimated value of land is 6k. If I get 3k after lawyer fees I'll be happy.
    Scott

    3K can buy a nice pinball

    #246 3 years ago

    Simply hiring an attorney for whatever reason is not "lawyering up."

    That phrase refers to a suspect refusing to answer any further questions from the police and demanding to speak to a lawyer.

    Don't you guys watch any crime dramas?

    #247 3 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    In the end there is really only one man for this job.

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    a Burrly guy indeed....

    #248 3 years ago
    Quoted from LynnInDenver:

    Indications are the police already know the games are there. Destroying them now would open him up to more charges, and less ability to plea bargain against the thief.

    I was referring to the machines not seen at the shop.

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