I wasn't born when all that happened. . It's by far the most successful/valuable company in the world for good reason.

If you put 2 and 2 together with AI and syncing that headset with your phone, watch and every other device, and no need for anything else other than your hands to operate it, to compare this to that list above? Come on man, game changer!

How about this. Every "one more thing...." moment in Apple history, the Iphone, Iwatch in 2014 and now this Vision Pro. Yeah Apple won't fuck this up and it will be part of our daily lives in the future.

Compared to Meta's option, its NIGHT and DAY. And like pinball machines, people will buy these headsets like candy.

The shares of Apple are fairly valued right now.

It's different than what META is offering - AR vs VR
META's VR headsets are very good
Too soon to anoint it king

I have a META headset. It's fine. But they should stick to Advertising. This Apple headset will integrate and do 1,000 more things. It's both AR/VR

It's already the king on announcement by comparison. It's ok, you can actually take a peek at the reveal, despite being an anti-Apple device person.

Apple has the device and ecosystem to link it all up to. It will be the future "Appleverse". Ha!

Calling for a bounce in tech was not a hard call by Tom, it was going to come this year at some point. The AI hype kept it going but again - hitting a lot of resistance here. Valuation matters and if the Fed resumes rate hikes, good luck. Sell the news as they say, trim some profit. Most of our clients were already trimmed though so not much to do.

My buddy bought a GB topper in January - paid $2500. Insane.

If you sound too much like an Apple fanboy you lose all credibility. It far from proven that anyone has won anything.

I own the stock and will continue to own it. I hope they knock it out of the park, I just don't see it yet.
Also, at $3,500, the market's going to be limited unlike the subsidized phones.

I was hoping the headset would be sleeker.

$3,800 with tax... woof.

Not going to be a huge seller at that price point, but nice to see Apple growing the AR/VR space making it more socially acceptable. Market awareness is great for all competitors!

It's not for prime time yet. It's just Apple getting set up in the space and developing it with partners and commercial users.

It's a longer term growth strategy and I don't doubt they will have models for the masses in 4-5 years. Sub$1000.

I'm not wearing a fucking headset.
Its Betamax , gen 1. Woof. Dead in 3 years.

Apple - will do well in the long run but the price point will need to drop for their new headset. So it may be a few years before it is adopted or the next couple of generations down of the product. No different than a lot of their other roll out items. Wonder how fast till some Asian companies knock it off..

Fed has telegraphed that would pause in rates rising and then back tracked because the economy is still a little damp with post COVID cash and they will raise rates a skootch to soak up this errant cash . So, yes, I am expecting markets to drop a bit for a bit.

I am buying WPM and selling covered calls for the interim while watching trends. WPM may be dinged with new taxes but they are looking really good with their streaming contracts business still. Diwali in India is coming in a few months and that may spur more gold and silver sales however it all may be moot for a streamer company like Wheaton.

Plunked some money in 3 month T-Bills so I can relax for three months. Market will be here in three months and if not, well, good thing I am plunking some cash in T-Bills.

Wrong. Most people were calling for a retest of the October lows. Some still are like Mike Wilson of MS. Tom Lee and Fundstrat stuck to what they believed based on the numbers and evidence they put out daily.

And he was calling for it since December BEFORE the AI surge came out of nowhere. NVDA, AAPL, MSFT, GOOGL, META, AMD.

Not to mention they called the beginning of the Energy run which was UP by 60% while the S&P 500 was down 20% in 2022.

Fundstrat has been an invaluable resource for us. The best of a half dozen or so.

Part of the narrative based on the research has been NO hard landing and now a Fed pause as inflation targets are in range. Companies without debt can live with these rates anyhow.

Dan Ives of Wedbush just raised Apple target to $220. Perma bull or just right? See you there.

No, I didn’t “trim” any tech like others and thus we have had a phenomenal 1st half to follow up on a stellar 2022. And while I’m trimming some AMD and NVDA now to move into other tech names it’s just due to massive ST profits.

Bottom line, I like Apple because it’s a great business and has made over 1,000% the past 10 yrs.

Fanboy? Give me a Fing break. Vision One doesn’t add anything today but it will be another major winner in the future for Apple and the massive ecosystem. A HUGE advantage over others.

Some of you guys here should subscribe to Fundstrat. Cut out a pin buy or topper purchase and you will be able to buy 10 more as a result in the future. .

GL $$$

I didn't say anything wrong. I'm well aware of Tom Lee - our firm subscribes to Fundstrat.

Apple is a great business / investment but when you keep glorifying their products and constantly going on about when it goes up like it's the only investment in town you come off like a fanboy. Apple is just one the 6 big tech stocks everyone and their dog are piling into for 85%+ of 2023 market returns, it's nothing much more than that. It's yet to be seen if the rally can fully broaden out. I'm hopeful but I also think the pause could come off.

Relax man. Worry about yourself. You did misrepresent what actually happened. As if this move was baked in. What a crock of BS

With smug ignorance you were dumping on Apple earlier.

You say virtually nothing of any significance or with any accountability. Maybe you should figure out how to use Fundstrat.

What exactly do you do and what firm do you work for and what is your role?

If we are going to debate bonifides let’s go

Now we are seeing the INDUSTRIALS run. Thanks Tom
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Here is some technical analysis on Apple from Mark Newton at Fundstrat.

Just for reference, I realize it’s a complete waste of time here

FYI, I have been discussing Apple since this thread started years ago. You can stick that fanboy shit

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Wow you're piece of work buddy. Good comeback argument , dump all over me with insults, fabrications and name calling. Very mature! Your wisdom shines.

If you want to be taken seriously maybe grow up.

There he is.

Anonymous. Nothing. Insults? That’s laughable

Smug ignorance at its finest.

Firm? You? That’s what I thought. Nobody knows. Basement dweller.

I have ZERO concern about being taking seriously here. Please don’t in fact. Should I get down on the level of people like you? Probably not.

But I’ve been here a lot longer and I’m calling out total BS on you.

Like I said, worry about yourself and stop fixating on me, Buddy.

Yes. Belittle all that disagree with the mighty iceman who "has been here longer". I won't stoop to your level of name calling, whatever makes you happy. Your actions speak loud and clear.

I haven’t called you any names. That’s you “fanboy”

I’ve called you out. With your smugness of anonymity.

That’s right, my actions do speak loud and clear.

What “firm” do you work for? Nothing? What are you hiding?

Full transparency doesn’t work for you does it.

At least most of the people here at times in the past were in need of some help and advice was provided in good faith.

Today, it is what it is. Pathetic

You haven't called me out, you just hurled out fabrications and tried to discredit me rather than debate the markets. I won t be bullied by you.

What “firm” do you work for and what is your role? I’m waiting.

Is it confidential? I’m not interested in debating the markets with an anonymous keyboard jockey.

What credibility do you even have?

YOU replied to my posts again. Worry about yourself, you need it

You're last person I'm giving my personal info to. You can make up all the stories you want to try and discredit me. Then you win of course.

That’s what I thought. Just post the “firm” here.

You have zero credibility. And I’m not interested in “winning” anything. I already have

My personal info is on full display. What are you hiding? People should know who they are dealing with and absorbing advice from.

Does your “firm” know?

Yup I have zero credibility. You win!

That’s right.

Btw, Fundstrat has a 30 day free trial available.

GL.

For me I will just say I enjoy reading both iceman44 and kool1 posts. I’m not a sophisticated investor so I like learning from the experience of others

It is interesting to get insight on how others evaluate the market and develop investment strategy. Different perspectives is a good thing at least for me anyway

I really hope you guys will continue to participate

Dude, I certainly appreciate your inputs here and you have credibility. This is just the usual thread bs.

I am no expert. Maybe just really lucky.
Bought and sold apple several times.
I see the 1 year and 5 year charts. Damn, it's done very well. BUT, it pays shit dividends.
Thus, I buy on lows and sell on high.
Sure, if I bought it and held for 10 years I will make money...in 10 years.
I will buy more in the next bad news at $140-160. I do believe if it creeps to $200 there will be a massive pull back.

Apple Pay’s a great stock buyback dividend though. Part of the total return. One you don’t pay tax on until you sell the stock.

Officially back in a “bull market”. Who knew?

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Different perspectives always good. The power of compounding knowledge every day leads to better investment decisions and $$

Especially when it comes from fact and evidence based research. That’s why we pay others to provide that service. Can’t do it all. It’s our job to filter through the good and bad and there is a lot of noise out there!

I have nothing against Kool personally, have no idea who he is.

I bought 5k of Apple stock when I was 21 years old in 2003 pre iPhone post iPod. Was definitely a life changing event. I remember when I bought it my coworker told me it will do alright but that I had missed the big profits.

Nicely done. Sadly I wasn't investing back then.
We're at 180, will it go to 500 in 10 years? Or higher?

Personal attacks and discrediting me and my opinions say otherwise.

I'll be around. Just going to take a break from this thread for a bit.

I think the market will give you a chance to get in at a lower price.....it's been a weird, schizo market, but for good reason, lot's of different dynamics at play. But, zoom out and you'll notice the Fed hasn't moved off their stance, it's just a pause. I think they will hike again and we'll see what happens after that. Over all the unemployment is inching higher, commercial and private real estate is cracking under the pressure of higher rates. Plus, you got banks under pressure and lending tightening, the next 6 months isn't looking so good to me.

Evergreen meme

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I'm very happy everyone is screaming that the bear market is over, the shorts have given up, and we're all bull'ed up again

It's like clockwork every time.

All you need is patience.

Tech continues it's streak today. I'm glad I moved almost entirely out of energy back into Tech as this rally started a few months ago.

Does energy have legs with summer starting? Ands what if the inflation report is good? Can something like DIS get a boost, or are they just a mediocre investment right now?

Have you seen energy today? Fcx up almost 6% as well. Problem is everything (stocks) I own in underwater trying to get even again

A one morning trend is great and all, but my remaining oil stocks have been treading water for months, where my tech stocks are up 15-18% in the same time period. Your experience may be different.

I agree - I think at this point I'm going to go back to the old strategy and buy what other people hate and wait it out for a return.

You have to factor in the large energy dividends though.

Yup, ET is just one of those I loaded up on last year... at 9.75%, and price not terriby affected by oil or gas price movement (they pipe | transport, not pumping or refining). Like anything else, YMMV. By loading up, maybe 10% of my total portfolio... I am too risk averse to be overloaded in just one market segment

Oh for sure. I kept my EC oil stock because it's got a huge dividend.

Tom Lee had a gazillion bad takes last year. Market is strange right now. I don’t buy the new bull market personally. Think we’ll see 4000 in the next month then head back up then ultimately crash again in Q4. We’ll see.
Crazy markets though.

I’ve read through some of posts on this thread, mainly those that mention Motley Fool.
God I wish I had never heard of that company or trusted them to inform my stock trading. What an absolute sham it is. No integrity.

Pulled out of my individual stocks and back in the.S and P as I'm going to have to take a big chunk out soon.

I have parked money in 3 month T-Bills and looking to park some more once interest rates are over 6 percent.
I also have some parked stock market money that I have been cautiously doing some small day trading on.
I am inclined to look at plays to short the S&P indices, some swing trades on energy stocks (like FANG).

Yes the indicators show that the bull market may be restarting - but until we get the Fed to say conclusively, "Yep, we are done raising rates, will hold them and start to lower them", the recession hasn't started.

There is going to be some pain in the financial community and it may be as kool1 has pointed out in the past - not an issue if you are in it for the long game. Major issues though internationally are that China may have their own financial things to worry about, that pesky Ukraine invasion and (insert what you want here).

I expect more local and international companies to tighten their belts and spend less to improve their bottom line for shareholders and that may mean more layoffs or at least less bonuses, no or lower raises to rank and file employees. Less spending, companies sell less, people can't keep deposits in banks or pay back credit cards, etc things may drop and continue a downward spiral. It won't last forever but thinking it may take a couple of years to work through this. In five years we should be out of it.

Just my thoughts.

Added afterthought: But just maybe the prices of pinball machines may get to something "normal" - and no, I have no idea what that means or what it would look like in the next few years .

When they first started out years ago, there was a lot of good information there. Unfortunately, they have become what they use to be against. Just do your own due diligence and you need to work out what you feel is the right amount of risk you need to take.

enshittification is a term coined to describe this process where tech entities like Motley Fool start off useful, grow in popularity, and then turn into junk.

Tesla is having a great month with their charging stations.