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#6601 3 years ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

I hope these thread doesn't degrade into comparing bank accounts

I have a BOA savings and 2 checking. Come at me bro!

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#6602 3 years ago

Does this thread make anyone else feel poor?

I'd post what I have in stock, but everyone would laugh me right out of the room.

#6603 3 years ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Do you feel 401ks and Roth IRAs prey on the young? Hell, Id blame the school system for not teaching financials. I had one financial class my whole 12 years in public education. Home EC .

I always struggle with the statements blaming schools systems for not teaching our kids money management, proper eating, ethical behavior. The schools are here to give general education (English, math, science). Parents need to take some responsibility and teach their kids as well. Money can be private, and teaching you kids how to manage money is important for the long term security and happiness. I am proud of what I have taught my kids, Both my kids took accounting in high school and said it was very basic. I don’t want the school teaching my kids money management, just how to count it. I suppose if money management was so easy we would all be rich!

Parents are ultimately responsible for teaching life skills, schools are general education IMO, higher education then comes at the college level.

#6604 3 years ago
Quoted from ovfdfireman:

I always struggle with the statements blaming schools systems for not teaching our kids money management, proper eating, ethical behavior. The schools are here to give general education (English, math, science). Parents need to take some responsibility and teach their kids as well. Money can be private, and teaching you kids how to manage money is important for the long term security and happiness. I am proud of what I have taught my kids, they both wrote a check for their first car, bought their first share of stock at 12 and have a savings account larger than the average adult. The best part is they earned every penny. Both my kids took accounting in high school and said it was very basic. I don’t want the school teaching my kids money management, just how to count it. I suppose if money management was so easy we would all be rich!

The flip side is that most kids do not have parents that model good behaviors like you have done for your kids. In school, we are teaching kids advanced academic topics as opposed to basic life skills. There needs to be a balance, but for most students they would be better off learning about simple interest as opposed to calculus.

#6605 3 years ago
Quoted from Spyderturbo007:

Does this thread make anyone else feel poor?
I'd post what I have in stock, but everyone would laugh me right out of the room.

This thread can make anybody feel poor, regardless of your portfolio.

#6606 3 years ago

A tip for anyone with a company Match 401k

My returns were crappy because I had some standard fidelity mutual funds to pick from when I set it up. They got me a whopping 20% last year, as my personal stuff more than doubled. Frustrating

I called them and got out of the default “personal advisory services” and converted my account to “brokeragelink” which is their version of E*TRADE, scottrade, Robin Hood etc.

Now I can buy and sell in my 401k as I do in my taxable accounts and make similar returns.

Sorry if I’m late to the party on this one but this was an epiphany for me so thought I share, in case there are other dumb dumbs like me out there.

#6607 3 years ago
Quoted from DBLM:

This thread can make anybody feel poor, regardless of your portfolio.

No kidding. People post their big winners, but you rarely hear about the big losers.

#6608 3 years ago
Quoted from Bospins:

A tip for anyone with a company Match 401k
My returns were crappy because I had some standard fidelity mutual funds to pick from when I set it up. They got me a whopping 20% last year, as my personal stuff more than doubled. Frustrating
I called them and got out of the default “personal advisory services” and converted my account to “brokeragelink” which is their version of E*TRADE, scottrade, Robin Hood etc.
Now I can buy and sell in my 401k as I do in my taxable accounts and make similar returns.
Sorry if I’m late to the party on this one but this was an epiphany for me so thought I share, in case there are other dumb dumbs like me out there.

One of the reasons I left my 9 year job a couple years ago was so I could roll over the 401k with terrible investment options to a vanguard IRA where I can do whatever I want with it. The final nail in it for me was when they switched over a real estate fund, that held actual ownership in 100+ properties to a REIT fund and said they were comparable. I had about half of my 401k in the real estate fund and it did great from 2009-2017.

#6609 3 years ago
Quoted from Bospins:

A tip for anyone with a company Match 401k
My returns were crappy because I had some standard fidelity mutual funds to pick from when I set it up. They got me a whopping 20% last year, as my personal stuff more than doubled. Frustrating
I called them and got out of the default “personal advisory services” and converted my account to “brokeragelink” which is their version of E*TRADE, scottrade, Robin Hood etc.
Now I can buy and sell in my 401k as I do in my taxable accounts and make similar returns.
Sorry if I’m late to the party on this one but this was an epiphany for me so thought I share, in case there are other dumb dumbs like me out there.

Are you upset because you only made 20 percent pay year . If you made more than 20 percent last year you probably took to much risk. I’m not trying to be rude at all. Last year was a completely odd year. If you’re over the age of 40 you have lived through 2-3 major corrections and know that they can come at any time . The average return on the s&p over the past 20 years is below 6 percent.

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#6610 3 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

It’s NOT just about the gains fellas, it’s about the GAMEPLAN for life. The integration of legal, tax and financial planning.
I enjoy things like helping an ER doctor get retired today after his HUGE gains this past yr
He’s 56. Would you like to meet him? I thrive on helping people
I hope you guys succeed but when people like KPG here says things like “unlimited potential” I’m going to help provide both the pros and cons.
Now, if Pinsiders don’t give a F, I won’t waste my time!

Just a side note, I have a list of stocks Iceman has recommended and lists recommended by “Pinside” general sorted by dates of recommendation. Let me tell you one of those lists looks stellar and the other is mostly crossed fingers and throwing darts blindly hoping some stick!

There are a few other solid guys too, so thanks for this thread, you guys are awesome and I greatly appreciate your recommendations and insights, Iceman!

#6611 3 years ago
Quoted from spikelou2:

While trading is fun it’s not investing ..odds are against you very few professionals do it successfully and even fewer do it constantly.: bet with your head not over it. At least at the casino they give you free drinks and a Buffett

I was JUST at the casino for the first time ever and they did NOT have free drinks. Wtf?!

I had many friends hitting me up about Signal. Shit is old, use Telegram. Much better app. Hilarious the old news is suddenly is great epiphany.
Pro tip: stop using Gmail, it literally says in the terms of service all your emails are owned by and proper of Google. Use ProtonMail. 100% better and experience PRIVATE emails.

Quoted from ovfdfireman:

I always struggle with the statements blaming schools systems for not teaching our kids money management, proper eating, ethical behavior. The schools are here to give general education (English, math, science). Parents need to take some responsibility and teach their kids as well. Money can be private, and teaching you kids how to manage money is important for the long term security and happiness. I am proud of what I have taught my kids, Both my kids took accounting in high school and said it was very basic. I don’t want the school teaching my kids money management, just how to count it. I suppose if money management was so easy we would all be rich!
Parents are ultimately responsible for teaching life skills, schools are general education IMO, higher education then comes at the college level.

And what about those of us without parents? F@#k us, I guess?

#6612 3 years ago
Quoted from Bospins:

A tip for anyone with a company Match 401k
My returns were crappy because I had some standard fidelity mutual funds to pick from when I set it up. They got me a whopping 20% last year, as my personal stuff more than doubled. Frustrating
.

It's posts like this that raise my internal alarm bell that we are in another 1999 or 2007.

The exuberance and disregard for sensible risk management popping up lately is remarkable.

#6614 3 years ago
Quoted from ovfdfireman:

I always struggle with the statements blaming schools systems for not teaching our kids money management, proper eating, ethical behavior. The schools are here to give general education (English, math, science). Parents need to take some responsibility and teach their kids as well. Money can be private, and teaching you kids how to manage money is important for the long term security and happiness. I am proud of what I have taught my kids, Both my kids took accounting in high school and said it was very basic. I don’t want the school teaching my kids money management, just how to count it. I suppose if money management was so easy we would all be rich!
Parents are ultimately responsible for teaching life skills, schools are general education IMO, higher education then comes at the college level.

No offense, but that train left decades ago. Our society is de-evolving at a revolutionary rate. Just look at the life expediency and believe me, there is a correlation there.

#6615 3 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Of course, “don’t let the bastards wear you down”
After all, it’s the IT genius thread to begin with. Lol
And he shows up after getting his ass kicked on all the chart master recession calls back in March and April.
Like I said, good luck to everybody, I’m done. Thread drained

WTF did i wake up to here.
ICE took his ball and went home?
Geez, KPG too?
Guys Guys, relax its just money.
Anyway, over time you both had great stock tips. Did i buy some, yes, did i question some, fuck yes. Were some tips from Ice already inflated, yes, did some go higher, yes. But you have to do your own research. Better to trust motley fool and the rest than to to trust stranger's on pinside. Buyer beware.
Play Ball!

#6616 3 years ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

ICE took his ball and went home?

We all know Ice likes to partake in the spirits at night. This isn't the first time. He'll be back.

#6617 3 years ago

Bailed on DNMR at a 9% loss. Going in on CRWD when funds clear.

#6618 3 years ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

WTF did i wake up to here.
ICE took his ball and went home?
Geez, KPG too?

This is too bad.

I enjoyed not only listening to input from these two but everyone else within this thread. There has been great information from everyone and I have seen most anyone who posts in here on investing recommendations to "do you're own due diligence".
Really hoping the dust settles and these two do make it back in here, they posted quite regularly with interesting advice as well as a few others with experience in investing, which I have appreciated immensely.

#6619 3 years ago
Quoted from loren3233:

Really hoping the dust settles

Too much ego, perceptual slights, and grudges on internet forums. Hopefully Ice comes back. His insights on why to choose a stock were great and had me reading alot more about the market.

#6620 3 years ago

For what it is worth, the tenor of this thread has really changed in the past month or so. I was not and am still not digging the vibe so stopped posting my trades and not participating as much. There are also a few other regulars that were posting good info that I have seen have stopped or slowed down as well. I honestly can not put my finger on one thing in particular but feel that it was just a collection of things.

Maybe Ice and KPG had a similar experience? Who knows.

#6621 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure I know at least part of the issue just by reading and it started around Nov 3.

but I thought it was fairly normal around here at least until the disagreement over PSTH. This isn't the first time they've taken a hiatus, I'm sure they will cool down and be back. Honestly don't know why ego has to play any part in this, but the people who do this the most (and probably best) also tend to be attached emotionally to the ups and downs.

But then again, half this place can't even remain civil talking about pinball.

#6622 3 years ago
Quoted from Zablon:

I'm pretty sure I know at least part of the issue just by reading and it started around Nov 3.
but I thought it was fairly normal around here at least until the disagreement over PSTH. This isn't the first time they've taken a hiatus, I'm sure they will cool down and be back. Honestly don't know why ego has to play any part in this, but the people who do this the most (and probably best) also tend to be attached emotionally to the ups and downs.
But then again, half this place can't even remain civil talking about pinball.

That being said CRWD is doing great as is FVRR.

#6623 3 years ago
Quoted from Zablon:

I'm pretty sure I know at least part of the issue just by reading and it started around Nov 3.
but I thought it was fairly normal around here at least until the disagreement over PSTH. This isn't the first time they've taken a hiatus, I'm sure they will cool down and be back. Honestly don't know why ego has to play any part in this, but the people who do this the most (and probably best) also tend to be attached emotionally to the ups and downs.
But then again, half this place can't even remain civil talking about pinball.

I see both sides on PSTH. I said before I don't like Ackman. Right now you're paying $29 for $20 cash and a promise. I bought 1000 yesterday and sold covered calls on them expiring Friday. Thinking more on it, I closed the positions today for about $250 profit. I like the strategy, but I'd like it much better in the $22-25 range. Paying $1.50 for $1 is awfully risky.

#6624 3 years ago
Quoted from DBLM:

I was not and am still not digging the vibe so stopped posting my trades and not participating as much.

I did notice this and I hope all is well with you. Thanking you for the previous contributions into this thread and hoping the vibe does change back to what it was.

#6625 3 years ago

I don’t know. It’s KPG’s thread and he is a chart master to the next level helping for years yes, but he was gone last year. He took a break during one of the biggest bull markets in history. He wasn’t here. Then he shows up last month and recommends a stock. Has a pissing contest with someone who is a Professional Money manager who was a regular valuable contributor through pretty much all 2020, and says sure the stock could be good, but could fall flat (which is pretty much every stock - hello) and leaves again.

May seem like a shot at someone but it’s not. No one has to be here and of coarse do your own research before you do anything. I am just disappointed.

Corrected he didn’t buy at $10. No worries. Just disappointed in the arguing of a stock pick. But they hugged it out.

#6626 3 years ago
Quoted from loren3233:

I did notice this and I hope all is well with you. Thanking you for the previous contributions into this thread and hoping the vibe does change back to what it was.

I post some of my trades, but nobody seems to care since they aren't the sexy growth names. I posted shorting PTON at $166 and it fell as low as $141 a couple days ago. I posted that I'm biggest long on WBA and XOM. They were down huge at one point, but are up 50-70% off their lows. They both seem like low risk turnaround no brainer dividend plays right now. WBA is finally seeing results of their multi-year turnaround effort. They just sold their wholesale pharma stake for $6.5+ billion plus stock. They're adding VillageMD clinics to most of their stores. I see them as an investment, not a trade and they are by far my biggest position. I had over 5000 shares a few months ago, but have cut back to about 2000 for risk management.

#6627 3 years ago

Can anyone explain the logic of buying these spac”s . Seems like they are raising money into a blind pool investments . Seems like bs to me but also seems like there is an unlimited appetite for these now . Can anyone educate me on them.

#6628 3 years ago
Quoted from spikelou2:

Can anyone explain the logic of buying these spac”s . Seems like they are raising money into a blind pool investments . Seems like bs to me but also seems like there is an unlimited appetite for these now . Can anyone educate me on them.

That's what they are. I saw an article this morning that said the average stock purchased through a SPAC since 2015 is down something like 18%.

#6629 3 years ago
Quoted from Spyderturbo007:

Does this thread make anyone else feel poor?
I'd post what I have in stock, but everyone would laugh me right out of the room.

I'm right there with you. I don't own any stocks, but I was considering buying a few. I have a friend trying to convince me to get into it. He is currently making a KILLING.

I'm not sure where to start, however, and I don't have much money.

#6630 3 years ago

I've been lurking this thread for awhile. Even though I've had my arguments with iceman in the past, I really enjoyed his insight. I started personally investing last year and have used a lot of the information from this thread to help guide me where I am today. Can't we all just agree that there are a lot of ways to make money in the market and leave it at that?

#6631 3 years ago
Quoted from spikelou2:

Can anyone explain the logic of buying these spac”s . Seems like they are raising money into a blind pool investments . Seems like bs to me but also seems like there is an unlimited appetite for these now . Can anyone educate me on them.

Depends on the spac and when you got in. I agree that they are frothy, but I feel that way about so many stocks right now.

The IPO market is not functioning properly and I blame that for the interest in these alternative ways of bringing companies to market.

I do agree with Iceman that the timing of spacs was better 2019/2020 and not 2021/2022. They were successful, so now there is too much interest. I am guilty as charged.

Ackman’s I got in later and it is in my pure speculation money pool (which is a very small pool).

I have another spac from awhile ago where my cost basis is just below the guarantee payout if it dissolves. Sitting on some nice warrants too if it does work out. If it doesn’t, oh well. It has until around March to announce a deal or it dissolves. Definitely not as sexy as Ackman, but much less risk given my cost basis. It also is a small part of my portfolio. Honestly I would have probably been better served just buying VOO.

Check back with me in a couple months.

#6632 3 years ago
Quoted from loneacer:

I posted shorting PTON at $166 and it fell as low as $141 a couple days ago. I posted that I'm biggest long on WBA and XOM.

For me, and I can't speak for others, but I do not understand the "shorting, calls, puts, etc" and in no way going to move that way since I have no clue on what I would be doing. I have watched videos and such but still just don't have a full understanding of that process so I stay away.

Sooo, for me, I listen to advice here, do some research on a company on my own and decide if I want to purchase the stock at the current price and buy what I can afford to lose. Due to the advice of others on this thread I have been able to make a very decent profit and am greatly thankful for that. I myself listen and bought into XOM as well, not going to be rich but profiting 39% in a three month period is exciting to me.

#6633 3 years ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

I hope these thread doesn't degrade into comparing bank accounts

I kinda like that trend, show's what guy's are really throwing there own money behind and not talking B.S.

#6634 3 years ago
Quoted from loren3233:

For me, and I can't speak for others, but I do not understand the "shorting, calls, puts, etc"

Shorting is just the opposite of buying. You sell stock you don't own for a promise to buy it back later, hopefully at a cheaper price so you make a profit. Can be dangerous, but can also make a lot fast. Stocks take the stairs up, but the elevator down.

#6635 3 years ago
Quoted from loneacer:

Shorting is just the opposite of buying. You sell stock you don't own for a promise to buy it back later, hopefully at a cheaper price so you make a profit. Can be dangerous, but can also make a lot fast. Stocks take the stairs up, but the elevator down.

I'm thinking of shorting DASH after it just ran up $50 in 3 days on no news.

#6636 3 years ago

Wow, I did NOT expect PLUG to continue blowing up like this. I intended to buy more but I have no clue when this ridiculous upshot will end? It seems purely speculative on this small company...

#6637 3 years ago
Quoted from Daditude:

I'm right there with you. I don't own any stocks, but I was considering buying a few. I have a friend trying to convince me to get into it. He is currently making a KILLING.
I'm not sure where to start, however, and I don't have much money.

Pro tip: Don't start with money you can't afford to lose (at least some of it), there are always ups and downs.

Starting is easy, open an account with companies like TDAmeritrade, Fidelity etc, transfer some money to your investment account, study companies you are interested in (great tips in this thread), execute a purchase and see how it goes. Diversify (not just stocks, but other vehicles like ETF's) and don't be afraid to make losses if your picks don't perform as expected. Look at Bogglehead investment philosophy as a guide (See e.g. https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Bogleheads%C2%AE_investing_start-up_kit or https://thecollegeinvestor.com/4119/boglehead/)

#6638 3 years ago

PLUG is a meme stock being driven by the "autists" over at wall street bets, like NIO before it. It's basically gambling at this point in my opinion...stay away, or throw 1k in, hope it doubles, buy yourself a gottlieb DMD

#6639 3 years ago
Quoted from Bospins:

PLUG is a meme stock being driven by the "autists" over at wall street bets, like NIO before it. It's basically gambling at this point in my opinion...stay away, or throw 1k in, hope it doubles, buy yourself a gottlieb DMD

Ya, Nio has a crazy market cap, took Tesla 10 years to get to that cap.. and Tesla is into everything... Bought some BYD instead.

#6640 3 years ago
Quoted from loneacer:

I'm thinking of shorting DASH after it just ran up $50 in 3 days on no news.

Ok I did it. Hopefully I don't look like a fool in a few hours/days.

Short 100 at 184.50.
Sold a $185 put expiring Friday for $8.20.

If held to expiration and the stock is below $185, I'll make $770. If it's above $185, I'll make $820 + (184.50 - whatever stock price is) * 100. So if it's $190, I'll still make $270 even though I'm down $550 on the short stock portion. I'll have to be wrong on the short all the way to $192.70 before I start losing money.

Usually when I do this, I close out the positions early if they get up near the maximum profit. If they turn into a loss, I just sell another put the next week, and the next week, until I finally come out ahead. My theory is that nothing goes up forever and I'm only losing time. I've only been doing this strategy for a few months, but it hasn't failed yet.

#6641 3 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Seriously, throw out any estate planning or tax questions anyone might have

I think I’ve seen it all?

PM SENT

#6642 3 years ago

Haha! I heard the taxes in quebec are a little wacky... It's all backwards, Like the red is the car. ;D

#6643 3 years ago
Quoted from ovfdfireman:

I always struggle with the statements blaming schools systems for not teaching our kids money management, proper eating, ethical behavior. The schools are here to give general education (English, math, science). Parents need to take some responsibility and teach their kids as well. Money can be private, and teaching you kids how to manage money is important for the long term security and happiness. I am proud of what I have taught my kids, Both my kids took accounting in high school and said it was very basic. I don’t want the school teaching my kids money management, just how to count it. I suppose if money management was so easy we would all be rich!
Parents are ultimately responsible for teaching life skills, schools are general education IMO, higher education then comes at the college level.

I agree 100%, but I'm quite sure the school system is teaching all sorts of, umm, bullshit that really has nothing to do with education. I figure a finance class or 2 could replace some of those classes.

#6644 3 years ago
Quoted from Bospins:

A tip for anyone with a company Match 401k
My returns were crappy because I had some standard fidelity mutual funds to pick from when I set it up. They got me a whopping 20% last year, as my personal stuff more than doubled. Frustrating
I called them and got out of the default “personal advisory services” and converted my account to “brokeragelink” which is their version of E*TRADE, scottrade, Robin Hood etc.
Now I can buy and sell in my 401k as I do in my taxable accounts and make similar returns.
Sorry if I’m late to the party on this one but this was an epiphany for me so thought I share, in case there are other dumb dumbs like me out there.

I did exactly this about 5 years ago. My Roth IRA through work that I hadn't paid much attention too was going into a couple broad funds that were averaging 20% returns for years... safe and steady, but way too slow of growth for me. Moved most of it to Brokeragelink, started doing my homework, picking and choosing my investments, and suddenly was getting much bigger returns. I do understand how some people want a safe hands off approach, but that's not how you make a lot of money.

#6645 3 years ago

What do you guys think about after inauguration? Some guys say they are selling everything before.

#6646 3 years ago
Quoted from Roostking:

I agree 100%, but I'm quite sure the school system is teaching all sorts of, umm, bullshit that really has nothing to do with education. I figure a finance class or 2 could replace some of those classes.

Education all the way through a Bachelor's degree is more about teaching kids how to think than teaching trade skills. 50+ years ago public schools would teach home economics including budgeting and cooking, wood shop, typing, etc, but all that has fallen off along with art and music. Finance in the way it is being discussed here is important because everyone is pushing 401k as the alternative to Social Security which doesn't 100% of retirement... but 401k's involve investing, and investing requires education, an education that's more involved than a typical High School class. This is why a forum like this is a useful learning experience. In that, here are a handful recommendations for everyone in this forum to read are the following:

https://www.amazon.com/Stan-Weinsteins-Secrets-Profiting-Markets/dp/1556236832
https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Lessons-Investment-Success-Techniques/dp/0071357548
https://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Money-Stocks-Winning/dp/0071614133
https://www.amazon.com/Reminiscences-Stock-Operator-Edwin-Lefèvre/dp/0471770884

Most of these cover options (puts, calls, futures, etc) that I keep seeing people ask about... and of course the topic that is rarely talked about: making money in a falling market

#6647 3 years ago
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

Wow, I did NOT expect PLUG to continue blowing up like this. I intended to buy more but I have no clue when this ridiculous upshot will end? It seems purely speculative on this small company...

PLUG, FCEL, BLNK all shooting up last few weeks. Alternate energy = hot sector

#6648 3 years ago
Quoted from Lamberger:

Haha! I heard the taxes in quebec are a little wacky... It's all backwards, Like the red is the car. ;D

Crap Province, I really don'y know why I live in this shit hole! ....really!

#6649 3 years ago
Quoted from spikelou2:

Are you upset because you only made 20 percent pay year . If you made more than 20 percent last year you probably took to much risk. I’m not trying to be rude at all. Last year was a completely odd year. If you’re over the age of 40 you have lived through 2-3 major corrections and know that they can come at any time . The average return on the s&p over the past 20 years is below 6 percent.

More than 20% too much risk? Not at all.
You just needed cash on the sideline in the spring to buy everything on sale.
Gains in excess of 50% were very easy last year if you bought what was on sale when everybody was panic selling.
Didn't require much risk at all at the prices stocks were on sale at - I picked up MGM @ $7.66 - how risky was that - come on man?

#6650 3 years ago
Quoted from Lamberger:

What do you guys think about after inauguration? Some guys say they are selling everything before.

There's political reasons people are selling everything, but there's still a lot at play here. Covid is still here, but so are vaccines, with interest rates nearing zero stocks are the only way to make >0% returns, and as the fed propped up the stock market in 2020, will they continue to do that into 2021, adding fuel to the bull market?

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