STLE is not even top 40 IMO.

I feel the same about Avengers, lol, but I don't know how many people would agree with me that it's a great game.

Well, first, 16 would mean it's not top 10 much less top 5, right?

I'll say the controversial thing (as usual) and the rankings on Pinside are all but meaningless. They are more F'd up than ever. To see ST next to CV (in fact, a spot AHEAD of it) is just ridiculous IMO. Of the 400 ST rankings I'll bet the overwhelming majority are from NIB owners and even before the code made it a half way decent game. I think they started getting corrupt several years ago as people saw the rankings reflect the values of the machines in their collections so naturally they would do everything they could to boost ratings of their games.

I'm in the boat that the "rankings" should be deleted altogether or completely revamped. A whole new thread of ideas on how to revamp ratings (I prefer the term "ratings" over "rankings" all day) would be good.

"IMO" means it is "my opinion" and as I noted, given the only 400 or so votes, I'm confident the majority came from NIB purchasers even before code made it half way decent so the ranking is just skewed.

When you have to debate whether a game is top X ... it isn't.

It's kind of strange how the only people here actually defending STLE's ranking (or trying anyway) are those who have it in their collection. You'd think you would find tons more of these "top-rated" games on location and there would be a whole bunch of people here defending it and wishing they could find one. Heck, time for another run Stern!

Agree with this as I said earlier. The whole "rankings" should be changed to simply "ratings" and a whole new set of categories and voting should be implemented. People should worry a lot less about where their favorite game is ranked and we'd all enjoy pinball more.

Can we just change the name of the thread to the "ST owners trying to convince themselves their game is special" thread?

Of course, just some respectful teasing. As I say all the time, I just hate rankings altogether and everyone should feel free to love whatever game they want. No matter how wrong they may be, lol.