Ah that was a fantastic interview. I met Steve at Pintastic a few year's back and did a very short lived podcast and the first interview was with him. He coined the podcast name as "The Beige Knight Pinball Podcast" which initially we thought was funny but he has since that time repeated that and it's becoming increasingly obvious it's a real game. What is humbling to me is that Steve is a lot like me or was me at certain times in my life. That trying to get your foot in the door, the knowing what your company putting out is shit but your boss tells you to put out shit but you won't, the struggle to wow people at the company to get that raise. Getting depressed due to having failure or being fired. Then some other interesting stuff like how sound in pinball is important and looking at some recent Stern games like GOTG. Amusing of course as he must be on his comments on pinballs biggest comeback. Then of course the stuff he didn't take into account for like computers powering games so you can have a bajillion rules like on POTC yet it doesn't matter to a player because every shot advances the game. Then of course the advances in tech like LED's to 3D printing. Really good interview!