Its actually up to people buying them from Marco to setup at the show. If I can figure out whether I want a pro or prem soon enough, I might have to use the show deal to get one.

Part of it is nostalgia, but it also adds an additional multiball that can be stacked. One of the things I love on BK2K is hitting the loops a few times in a row. So satisfying.

We dont fully know what effects the upper playfield has on game play yet, so right now, its a guess. What we do know is that it locks 3 balls and will start its own mulitball that can be stacked with a lower pf multiball. It also has a loop like BK2K. We probably wont find out until either a JD stream or MGC. So is it worth it? Up to you to decide.

Because they buy thousands at a time. Buying all one color is cheaper (and less inventory to have on hand).

I contacted Titan about the blue nubs. He said he thought they were actually fabricated from a silicone sheet, so its not the same process. Sounds like a no go from him.

Easy fix. Stop looking at this thread. This is pinside. Get used to it.

In the April fools BK stream, Steve mentioned that there is a lot of risk in this pin. Stern basically said OK to an "unlicensed" theme (I use it in quotes because it technically licensed from Williams, but its not like a movie/band type license). They haven't really done anything unlicensed in a long time. So if you want to see more original stuff from Stern, then this needs to do well. I also think that since its Tim Sextons first lead programmer gig, he really wants it to shine. He seems passionate about making it amazing. I really am hoping he is a mini Lyman

There might be brand recognition for collectors/people in the scene, but location play is still their bread and butter. If operators don't buy it, it probably wont do well enough. From the looks alone the toys look awesome, so I don't see there being a problem in this specific case. Hopefully they don't disappoint.

I see some pinball browser action coming up!

I know why they used the lockdown bar for the magna-save, but it does stink. Shouldn't be too hard to install a second button mod at least though and just have it tied into that switch.

Soundtrack is good, but it might get old. Luckily we can change it with pinball browser if we need to.

The callouts. I feel they really missed the boat on these. They are really toned down from BK2K. Thats one of my favorite parts, him making fun of you. However, the fact that it looks like the toy in the middle is actually saying these things is pretty sweet.

I need to play it this weekend, and I assume Ill still buy a premium, but the upper playfield seems like if you miss high, the ball kind of just hangs out there. Kind of slows down game play a ton. Not much you can do there now I guess.

The music is arguably the best part of BK2K! I absolutely love it. The music on this is hard to tell so far. After re-listening some more, its only one small refrain part that kind of annoys me. I'm not sure if that was part of a mode or just regular music...no idea. Overall, great work (though I hope they redo some of the callouts).

I agree 100%. In BK2K they are in your face. In the stream they seemed almost like afterthoughts. Might be just because its a stream though? Hopefully?

Im not sure why everyone is bagging on the kickback. Nobody ever said there was going to be one, its just something you wished for. Have you ever owned games with kickbacks? Because I find that most of the time the kickback can be just as bad. It kicks it back then goes SDTM or back down the kickback as soon as it times out with no way to save it. I would much rather have it be a ball save.

I played so many games on this machine over the weekend. I kept coming back for more. Rules are definitely basic, but thats pretty normal. Give it some time. I will say, there is no question for me over pro vs premium. Premium all the way. Without the upper PF it just didnt feel right. The lock shot gives an extra element, and stacking the multiballs was a riot. I am really going to try and wait to buy a premium until next year at MGC (unless someone has a magic dealer that gives amazing deals).

As for the flaming castle, at some point they mentioned it was an LED array with like 60 LED's (I dont remember the exact number, but it was around that). I would assume its a single PCB with SMD LED's mounted on. Wouldnt be that hard. It looks super cool in person.

As other mentioned drfrightner, your logic is flawed. I am totally not a fan of Iron Maiden. I mean, its not the worst music ever, but its just not something I grew up with or loved. The pinball machine though is awesome. So the mechanics, gameplay, etc get high marks, then I put a low mark on music. I dont mark down everything just to get the machine lower.

Same with your stupid pro/premium/le arguement. Just because the game costs $1500 more doesn't make it less fun. Your rating shouldn't be reflecting that. You rate JJP games a perfect 10 yet they cost how much? Seems you dont have an issue with cost with your precious JJP. You sound like a shill.

During the Black Knight talk with Tim and Steve at MGC, Tim said there is much more coming for callouts. There is also more content coming that they haven't gotten yet and are waiting on. So much more to come! Cant wait.

I agree its a two flipper game. If you are only using the right flipper, you are doing it wrong. I think the big reason people think that is because the left ramp returns to the right flipper, and there is no left flipper return. I have no problems hitting the left ramp with the left flipper though, so its not a big deal.

From what I played at MGC, they both felt very different. Having or not having the upper playfield was big. Some people don't care and some people are going to convince themselves they dont care so they dont have to spend extra money. The base game is still really awesome, it just didnt feel like you had as much to do (even if it was only 2 more shots really from the upper playfield, the loop and the ball lock). The upper playfield added variety. The GF and I agreed that I needed to buy the premium over the pro. It just felt right.

I don't think you can go wrong with either one. The pro is still a great game, which should get even better with more updates. Some will probably say the pro has a better flow because the ramp shot comes right back to the flipper, instead of dropping it on the upper playfield, going for those shots, then going back to the right flipper. The upper playfield kind of gives you a break.

Just depends on what kind of action you like. Both are great for different reasons.

Actually, during the question and answer, if your question wasnt exactly to the point, he would say, "that question is to long, next" because he wasn't able to follow what you were saying by reading your lips (he told everyone at the end that's why he was saying that).

My guess....not that long. Its already been talked about. I would think its already designed. They probably need to code it still since its going to be interactive like the knight on the playfield. So how fast can that get done? All I know is a knight head shaking no while he says no way sounds awesome.

Star wars has to deal with Disney for approval. BK3 doesn't.