Anyone know where to order an LE?

Are you talking about this place? https://www.betson.com/contact-global-sales-thank-you/

They seem to be closed :/.

Thank you. Joe at pinballstar might have one for me. I appreciate everyone jumping on my question!

No, I think he knows someone. I’ll hopefully figure it out tomorrow.

Anyone else notice that there are no star posts in the pictures. Are all of the new Sterns like that? I like it.

It seems off to me that Stern would manufacture any version without an upper play field since the game series is well known for the two play fields. Maybe I am crazy.

Clearly the most impressive thing about BKSoR is that I leaned it is okay to say fuck in my pinside posts. Thanks you awesome community of haters .

I’m curious to see how the pro vs. prem/LE debate turns out. On this game, it seems like that upper play field will change the entire speed of play. I personally think it seems a little like #tna. Blazing fast gameplay until you get into that upper play field. You can get a run where you bounce it around for a while building the bigger score. Then it fires out and mayhem ensues.

Would it be possible to install an eddy sensor then trigger the magna save automatically? This would be assuming you don’t need logic and that it fires every time the ball is near regardless of if you have saves to consume.

I have yet to play it but thought the exact same thing.

I would probably replace the sleeve. I had an issue with a new game where one of the factory flipper sleeves was kind of crappy and greatly impacted performance.

The one that shipped in my #TNA was weird. It was about 5mm too short and rough on the inside. I just put a new one in there and everything seemed to work great. That said, I have recently noticed that flipper doesn’t have the same kind of power as the other one. Perhaps the coil is not working correctly and the sleeve wasn’t the issue.

Good questions. The flipper shaft is definitely not moving. I tested it and it is pretty solid. The playfield/flipper gap seems adequate. What resistance should I expect on the flipper? The EOS thing is interesting too. Let me do some more testing.

This was very helpful to me, however you didn't mention that the wiring harness for the left side of the upper play field had an adapter which is way too large for the hole in which the wires run through. That means that once you remove it, you are still tethered to the rest of the playfield .

I really wish they had elected to use a different sized adapter so that you could simply pull the wires out. That would make this a perfect design.

+1 for these. Worth every penny.

I have to agree. I don’t want to be one of those upper play field trolls but I really think it is a better game with it. Both versions are great. You can’t go wrong either way. I think the game plays a lot like #tna which is interesting.

Personally, I would say that BKSoR pro feels complete. That said, the game became an unrelenting battle for the three major targets on the lower playfield. There is simply no reprieve. You get ripped over and over by high speed rejections and the loops. The only break you get is the 1.5 seconds it takes for the flail ramp to return down that wire which the prem and LE don't have. It is basically the same as the prem and LE if you were to never nudge or use your upper flipper. Also the shooter lane becomes faster as it can turn into a quick loop when you hold the left flipper for the super skillshot.

On the prem and LE I feel like the high speed battles on that upper playfield give you a whole new dynamic. I've had some insane runs up there where I'm basically cheering after finally locking or loosing the ball. Certainly code could make it better, but even left as is I feel like there is something special with that tiny playfield.

I think both games are very well done. If you want to save some money, you will absolutely have fun on the pro. If you are on the fence, I think the upper playfield is worth the prem price and will most likely hold its value.

This is entirely my opinion, and I'm not trying to step on other people's reviews. The haters can go back to complaining that the skeletons aren't bony enough .

I totally understand that. Total Nuclear is like that for me so I didn’t want to have two games which are similar in that way. That said, I like it a lot and there is a ton to love with the pro version.

I didn’t get any responses in the club forum so I am going to try the same post here:

After I put the upper playfield back on, I feel like I get a lot of rejects off the flail ramp. Before it seemed like it was butter smooth. I verified the flap is correct and the everything is lined up perfectly. How does everyone else’s work?

Do people find that shot needs to be pretty perfect in order to crest the loop?

LOL, thanks for the request to help me out . The "flap" I am talking about is actually at the very back of the ramp. It connects to the scoop/turnaround so that the ball can roll as smooth as possible. As far as I can tell, there is only one way to attach this to the backboard. I don't think you could screw it up unless you somehow bent that flap or pinched it. The scoop/turnaround thing has only millimeters of play. It is screwed into t-nuts so I know that it is not misplaced in any way. The backboard also has very clear nuts which it screws into. I can't see any potential for that to have been assembled incorrectly.

My current theory is that it is just a hard shot sometimes. It has to be hit pretty clean. Maybe what I thought I saw before disassembly was misleading and I didn't really play it enough to know.

This is really interesting! I was looking to see if Stern offered coil adjustments, but unfortunately they do not. I can echo that I typically see the same behavior.

It is certainly a different style of game, but to me it feels like a natural and updated extension of the series. Have you played one with an upper play field?

Yeah, that baby voice will never get old. I like the mix of jokes and serious. I do agree with comment that the recordings sound like they are mixed in terms of quality. Some are loud and clear while others sound muffled. Also I'm pretty certain that the "boosted" call outs are the same as the ones from Ernie Hudson in GB, but whatever .

Are there any pictures of this magic new playfield post? I want to see how amazing it is.

Also, has anyone noticed that if you hit the right flipper button a little bit, only the bottom flipper triggers? I wonder if that was by design or a bug.

I’m confused about the new post…the concept is that you could essentially keep the ball in the upper play field forever? Is there a negative consequence to that seeing as the ball can never drain?

I guess I need to see it. In my mind this makes the upper play field too easy. It is possible that I am completely wrong in my imagination of this.

Absolutely! I am not knocking it at all...I am just curious as to how it works. I am sure they wouldn't add something that made the game super easy. I am not the best player, yet I can sometimes keep a ball up there for 45+ seconds. I just need to see if I like it or not...as everyone has noted, it is completely optional.

I installed both playfield protectors (upper and lower). They are fairly easy to install however due to a dumb mistake I broke one of the posts when reinstalling the upper playfield. I documented that here:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/black-knight-swords-of-rage-club-honourable-knights-only/page/11#post-5042538

Beyond that, I have noticed that the protector causes a rubbing between the upper playfield plastic and the protector itself which seems to produce a mark of sorts on the upper playfield. It is not a scratch, or dirt...it is a "rub mark" that can only be seen at certain angles. I imagine I could buff these out, but it is a bit annoying. I was asking if anyone else had seen upper playfield wear in this post:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/black-knight-swords-of-rage-club-honourable-knights-only/page/13#post-5063381

But I have yet to get any responses.

I can't help you with the money for the LE...other than telling you the premium is the same game and you can't go wrong .

This type...https://www.playfield-protectors.com/Home/Details/3NyT4heS-EizmXqWxb0Idg

That is a huge bummer! I guess it could be the coil? Does BKSoR have EOS switches or are they digitally controlled? If it has them, it could be that too? If Stern is helping you, I am sure they will know better than me. I have to believe they can get it fixed up. Keep us posted.