Still need my second cup of coffee

For a pinball to be like a choir-AC/DC hooked up with both internal sub and external sub-volume set at 9

For pinball to be a chore-just play a few games of Houdini

This post here sums up why I scratch my head at people on this forum. You basically said nothing positive about this game, but still say you are going to buy it in 'hopes' that the code will be improved. Your post alone tells me there's no way I'd drop money on this right now, and I'm very hyped for it.

Stick to virtual pinball then.

Take a listen to WW that noise would kill me

Its gonna be a good game im just telling you what I noticed could be an issue. Games gonna come down to code. right now its barren

LOL

Game looks really fun can't wait to flip it, just wish Stern would put some more 3D items on the PF besides the center toy.
Everything in this game is flat plastic except for the knight, some of the stuff moders will be doing could be factory installs that would not cost much and really up the level of Stern's games

thanks fror posting these. I ordered a premium. hopefully it wont be too long. any ideas on eta?

level-3 people bitching about people bitching about people bitching is probably the laziest position in all of social media. think about it....

I'll state it again. third-level whining about someone making a point about the incessant bitching on social media is just plain lazy. Try harder....and buckle up your chinstrap if you want to get in the ring with me bud.

I like that. Hopefully we never have to face each other that would be a match, but you would lose.

i wasnt talking to the humugous!

Do you mean the fan or the storm call outs? I think both are great!

I wish they would incorporate bk2000 original music score into the classic mode...maybe there could be two modes one with Bk 1 sounds, one with bk2000 soundtrack and sounds.

No thanks.

i thught i heard some of that in the twitch stream when they were playing the higher end one.

Is the Pro really as good or better than the LE/Premium or are people just trying to make themselves feel better because they didn’t want to spend the money on the big boy version?

The upper playfield is not that fun. I want the premium art but the pro is more fun.

Sorry if I have missed this, but is there a video showing the Fire Panel in action?

Are there premiums at MGC? Anyone capture gameplay or try one?

Nah, this isn't Met, TWD or IrMd I think its just a distaste for upper PF action like with GOT Im going Pro for that distinct reason.

Where?

Yeah, I was hoping to see the premium with the opto back there plugged in.

Can you backhand the ramp?

I played it at MGC and it was fun. I'd play it on location, but not one I would buy. That is because it feels like a mid to late 80's game ala F14, High Speed 1&2, etc. I don't think it would have staying power in my collection since I already have one. I'd definitely go premium over pro. Without the upper playfield, the pro just didn't seem to have any character or as much to do. Those who buy this game will enjoy it, but I am afraid will stale in 6 months or less, kind of like how I felt with Aerosmith. But I will gladly play it at shows and on location.

It’s just not fun if you can’t lock the balls. . I stacked both Multiballs and it was awesome.

Some of the Premiums played different. Some the feeds were bad to the upper flipper from the lower and even the loop.
Played a few where everything was perfect.

Yes

Yes, there were several and a few were hooked up with headphones. I played them both but the pro more because that's what I preferred. One premium hooked up to big speakers. That's the one SR was playing when I got it there.

So no one has purchased a pro?

Dude, just look at the market here on pinside, even on this same page. $5799 for a pro.

Just got done playing a pro for a couple of hours. I was really impressed with this game I loved the fast paced smooth flowing layout. The knight is a super cool toys seeing the eyes and mask light up is very nice. The flail is a super cool feature so is the shield. LCD animations are well done and I thought we're pretty cool looking. On the pics stern posted I did not like the play field art but in person I really like the play field art and i think it pops. Finally the music IMO is great I love the heavy metal sound and that it plays the original BK2000 song in the retro mode. Overall I think this is a solid pro I also personally like this game because I am a fan of fast paced smooth playing games.

I love BK2K and I'm more pro-upper-playfield than most around here, it seems...but I could see liking the Pro just fine. One of the things I like about BK2K's upper playfield is that it has lanes, pops, and lots of stuff to bounce around on in addition to the loop & lock. Since the upper pf on BK3 is just a big plastic piece, it misses out on having all that stuff on it...and all the stuff you see underneath is on the Pro. The things that intrigue me the most about BK3 is the knight himself and the awesome music...both on the Pro. Seems like a winner, IMO.

That is music to my ears. I was worried about speed and flow(Although I really don't know why-I mean C'mon... this is a Steve Ritchie game).

I look forward to flipping it this week-I am a flow whore-so if it is smooth and flows well-I will love it.

Really concerned about the general flow about this one...let us know!

Really?
Your so insight full
One in every crowd

Prices are literally all over the site and you're asking for a price? Maybe haggle over shipping?

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With all due respect we need to keep this information private. If someone gets a deal and pays less then msrp-they need to keep it to themselves. Dealers can get penalized for selling below a certain map price, there is no special dealer that will do this so it is best to call around and see for yourself. Honestly the secondary market is where it is at to save the monies. If you have patience and don't need to buy NIB-just wait a month and you will get a deal on a slightly used Pro.

I don't think that distis actually get penalized for selling below MSRP but they are prohibited from ADVERTISING below the MAP price. Also nothing really wrong with someone posting what they paid for a game, though the distributor may ask they not disclose it for other reasons.

Not sure where you have been the last three years-but you are wrong. Stern concocted a 'dealer pricing scheme' where dealers are not supposed or allowed to sell below a certain price threshold. Has nothing to do with advertised MSRP pricing. Also yes there is something wrong with posting pricing-because that is what got us into where we are today. Loose lips-sink ships

This should probably be a different thread, but best I've ever been given is free shipping. You can haggle people down, but then pay shipping or just try to get shipping thrown in.

I just got back from MGC. I was able to play a whole bunch of games over two days on Black Knight Swords of Rage... Sadly I only played on the Pro model... The game really blew me away. I love this game!!!!!! It's fast, it has amazing artwork, good music, great animations and really is everything I want in a pinball machine. So, before MGC I was leaning more towards possibly getting a Munsters early next year, but then I saw this release and it caught my eye.
I was able to play both this and Munsters(both pro and prem), and I must say this BKSR kicks Munsters butt. Amazing toy. Fun fast games. Just really wowed me.
While I felt underwhelmed by Munsters. The lower playfield just felt too gimmicky and didn't shoot very well. So while I think the concept is cool. The whole game was a bit of a pass for me. Its a game I'd definitely play on location. But, right now with my limited money and even more limited space in my home, I rather have a BKSR.
And I also think Pro model is the way to go. I just don't think you're missing much not having the upperplayfield. I also think while the LE has the best art package, the Pro has the second best package as the Prem package just isn't my cup of tea.
But, man o man what a great game. I can't believe how much fun it is to play. Lots of modes two. And I love the devil hand mode... Its a lot like a painting I made a long time ago.

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It probably is better as a topic for another thread but price-fixing is illegal, trust me I have worked for many different technology firms that sell through resellers and every year we go through a refresher training on ethics and legal issues. #1 topic is always that it is illegal for us to dictate what the final price is, we can enforce MAP but cannot penalize a partner for taking a smaller margin and selling it cheaper than someone else. That exact scenario happens hundreds of times a day and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. It may be true that the distributors get some kind of verbal flack from someone at Stern or JJP but even that is frowned upon from a legal perspective. In today's climate of so many buyers it may be true they no longer do / need to discount but that doesn't mean they are prohibited from doing it.

Do you actually have proof of this?

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/dealings-supply-chain/manufacturer-imposed

I have said it before and I will say it again-'You don't know Gary.'

nope I don't and I could be 100% wrong