Because it's the right time to do so. This is a f***ng BK machine. So it has to fight (kick) back.
But why not replace the magna save with a ball save? Just press the button fast enough..
Come on..... thats redicoulus

It's all about theme INTEGRATION.

Yeah I’m thinking the magna save is gonna be pretty useless as the reaction time from when the ball is in near the outline to pressing the button is gonna be too late.

Aside from reaction time, with the magna save being on the lockdown bar it makes it almost impossible to nudge near the right outlane and magna save if need be. It's one or the other.

True but you know that's not going to happen until people stop buying these overpriced rehashes.

Well they are changing it to magna drain.

Same for CV.

And the company shut down shortly after shutting down the glorious knocker.

Coincidence????

how does the left orbit work on the premium? Didn't watch all that much of the premium, but does the ball go up on the launch or on a left orbit shot?

How is this game a rehash? I'm genuinely curious.

Watching the gameplay reveal with the Pro Black Knight does have me concerned on overall flow. It seemed like a lot of rejects or brick shots trying to hit ramps, etc. My concern is that the tight shots could be like Houdini and over time the precision needed to make the shots makes the game un-enjoyable. My other concern is stop and go with animations....Ball One Locked......etc. I really like the theme and the objectives so it will really come down to how it plays for me in person. I am hoping the video is nothing like how it actually plays in person. If it flows well-I will like it, if it is a brick fest-I will not.

I doubt it as the reverse could and probably has happened where Pro buyers see a Pre/LE model and decide they must have it. U can't always win.

After further review, I am entering a wait and see thought pattern. I will be buying this game, but I cannot say I would buy a premium or LE over the Pro until I play it. As many have mentioned the upper playfield created a tremendous amount of unused space. I am not sure it will be deamed “worth it” in the end. Steve could have just as easily made the loop on the lower section of the playfield, like shadow or getaway. I also think that Steve did not address the criticism of the prior bk2000......this latest version is still a one flipper game. How awesome would it have been if this was a two ramp game that used a diverter to dump the ball on to the upper playfield once you qualified. It would have flow and depth. By having the ball always pass through the upper playfield you kill flow and end up right back where GOT LE left off and clearly GOT pro was the game to get. Still a beautiful unique game, but definitely fell short in a few areas. I still say this will kick butt as a location game.

Because its "Black Knight"?

The premium will far outsell the pro. The upper PF IS a BK tradition.

No clue what you are talking about. Modern stern has never made a game like this that I can think of. Stern is also not going to stop streaming games because the same people that rush to an LE everytime change their mind like they do on pretty much every title.

The game looks good, great art, pretty awesome looking light show, rocking sound track that is always going to depend on personal tastes, a unique new toy that is molded and sculpted with pretty awesome detail, in your face brutal gameplay that might make IM feel easy, cool theme, code that is yet to be determined. Overall one of sterns best offerings at this point in the release in my opinion. Lots to be determined, but a really cool looking game and a well done release.

If he thinks this is a rehash then just wait till he sees the new Stern Star Trek release.

"Star Trek, the Trouble with Dimples"

Doh!!

So I have some interest in the game. What is the executive summary of this post is 4 bullet points or less? For those of use who are too busy eating burritos and drinking beer to muddle through the 2000 posts.

Didnt he get booted out of here for being a total dbag? A few years ago when I was active in here I used to tool on that pudwhack

Everyone wanted the LE/Premium, now want the Pro
No real ball save
Awesome game
Pinside contention

Enjoy

there is absolutely nothing new about this game. Same old same old from stern with absolutely no innovation and just b/c there is a knight in the middle doesn't help. Just my opinion - it just seems like I've played this game before a thousand times. Iron Maiden at least mixed it up with the shot layouts but munsters went right back to complete boredom and this game is following suit.

If you can't understand and see no difference in a PF like IMDN vs this game then you're already in too deep.

Thanks, that was way easier

respect your opinion and happy to hear you're looking forward to it. I predict an onslaught of disappointed people just like munsters as this is another snoozer from stern. There is just nothing about this game that makes me think stern even cares. I hope they change course for Jurassic and take a cue from IMDN to at least atempt to innovate.

Fuggin yay. Thanks for your "insight"

Burrito burp recap:

-BK good, Stern good
-No upper pf on pro bad
-Stream of pro and LE good
-upper pf bad, Stern cheap

Can’t wait to flip it, wish it wasn’t this way on Pinside.

No question. I was a regular here a few years ago. Now for every useful comment you get you have to endure 10x the diatribe from The Pinside Guild of Whiny Little Bitches.

I cant think of another toy in pinball like the knight. Seems pretty innovative too me. To each their own though.

This comment kinda makes you seem like a...whiny little bitch.

Just sayin'.

Got to live up to your name lol.

Just a friendly reminder that it's fine to like things other people don't like, and that it's fine to disagree with the masses. Think for yourself.

I still want an upper pf and I'm still in on an LE. I watched the whole stream and I still want an LE more than a pro.

I think the animations look great. Even if I didn't, who cares, how much do you look at your display? You should be happy they at least show the scores at all times.

I think the sound is great. If I didn't, I could just change it in pinball browser (or more likely let one of you whiners do it because you would rather listen to Kenny G then metal). None of you deserve this game.

I also don't really care that the magna-save button is now in the center of the lockdown bar. Adjust your strategies you old farts, it's not bk2k and you can't play it like it is. Boo hoo. On top of that, installing another flipper button on the side and rewiring my center button to it is not that difficult of a project if I decide the center button being magna-save is as big of a nightmare as you all make it out to be. But I probably won't, I'll probably just accept it because it's not a big deal. First you complain about how you only need to use the right flipper, and then you say you won't have a hand free to use magna save. Make up your mind.

The code looks pretty damn good. More than any other step in the right direction, it's nice to see a game that looks like it's actually close to being finished right on release.

You're all whiners and you don't deserve a game this good. Go listen to showtunes and play WoZ, this game isn't for you.

All i know is at this time tomorrow I will be flipping the game and I am flippin pumped!

We have been doing it for years with sound on both.
Works great.
Never had a complaint.
Just have to keep game volume on low.

#sarcasm

What game in the past 25 years has a similar layout to BKSOR LE? What toys are similar to the Black Knight toy? What other modern games have a player controlled magna-save over the outlanes? What other games have LEDs that simulate a giant fire in the back, what other games have a custom 'metal' soundtrack? What other Stern games are based off an original non-licensed pinball title? I can go on and on.....

I applaud Stern for actually taking a risk and doing something different and original with this game.

You forgot the one thing it has in common to get a lot of this type of criticism... It has a Stern name badge.

This machine is haunting me, I watched the stream and I put myself in the players heads and when anyone was lighting it up, and not really making it do things like complete bosses, but just blindly went after 6 ball multiball and got it going-

And then you keep it going... that was the hard part. Steve needs to remember we like tucking balls back in locks and multiplying our jackpots until we lock 5 balls and shoot the Chuck You Black Knight Quintuple Super Jackpot with the sixth ball and walk away a GC... if our Sword is charged all the way of course or does anyone remember those kinds of rulesets? Now I miss the jp shot and you make me fight all your minions to light locks to build back to 6 ball MB and I will play it all day. Let me trade qualified magnasaves for instant Sword Charge but only for the current ball and only for a relative amount of time per magnasave traded. Give me a Mystery Award that gives me the chance to make a choice and deal with the devil himself... Now that would be a nice easter egg mystery award to give out once in a blue moon.

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Hurry up and stream the damn game!

Lots of bk at the show....FB_IMG_1554953862073 (resized).jpg

Hard to tell...are those 2 deep?

Put my deposit down on a Pro model, now the waiting game begins! Might try live streaming this one

Game looks to have potential!

Not a fan of the look of the Black Knight's castle though - reminds me of a cross between a termite mound and the Kraken.

Haha, as soon as it gets here I'll do an unbox, setup and gameplay stream. My expectation is next month sometime.

Renopinball will stream BKSOR when we receive our LE.

Clearly the most impressive thing about BKSoR is that I leaned it is okay to say fuck in my pinside posts. Thanks you awesome community of haters .

I don’t get it.....having the upper playfield is AMAZING! Wether you like it or not, it’s more game. 6 ball multiball people! Play the pro, play it for a few weeks, believe me, you will wish it had the upper playfield. The premium and Le has everything the pro has, plus the extra multiball and challenges...who wouldn’t want that?? Without that upper playfield, it’s kind of like every stern game. With it, it separates it from the ordinary.

I'm shocked at all the pro love.

Game reminds me of Iron Man - really brutal.

Hoping the rules match the layout.

To me, the game looked great. I don't know Tim, but being that this is his first game (as lead) and his passion in general for pinball, I have no qualms about this turning into something special. As for the upper playfield, yeah it feels like it was missing something, maybe not physically... maybe just more fanfare when you make shots. Steve did mention there was a switch that was disconnected, so we'll see what happens.

I'm genuinely excited to see how this game evolves. Steve is probably the best at giving his fans a game that get your adrenaline going. JJP games and other recent sterns (while still fun) haven't checked that mark. (for me anyway)

Still love the prem/LE, lack of a ramp / too much low playfield axed game on the pro.

Wait for full fonctionnal prem and improved code, still 2 month for prem delivery...lot of time.

Sure Steve and tim will takes all the "bad" remarks to improve it soon, and i'm still convinced that the reveal was precipitated by the "bug early video trailer"... reveal an bugged LE gameplay is not a Stern thing.

Let see what's futur will be

Me

Why? some people really dislike upper and lower PF's. WW is one where I enjoy the upper PF as its just another shot not a mini game. Once you have targets and little ramps its over but we all like different things. My problem is the lack of 2 ramps, I need to play the game before I pass judgment but that is the biggest let down in the layout for me. Now a pro with no upper PF and a second ramp. Damn.