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Black Knight Sword of Rage!!! - Sterns next machine!!!


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#2601 3 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

"virtual kickback" been a thing for many, many, many years. Like...I can easily trace it back to the Clinton years without even thinking.
It's also known as a "ball save."
Why are we complaining about this now?

Because it's the right time to do so. This is a f***ng BK machine. So it has to fight (kick) back.
But why not replace the magna save with a ball save? Just press the button fast enough..
Come on..... thats redicoulus

#2602 3 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

I dont think he meant theme alone.
Theme counts for a lot and is a large draw. It however cant trump poor gameplay. Ghostbusters is a dream theme for me. I cant stand that game. Walking Dead is a horrible theme to me but I like the way it plays (I just wouldnt buy one). Iron Maiden makes me so happy I could cry.
When a game comes along that has that sweet marriage theme and gameplay, that's what people are after.

It's all about theme INTEGRATION.

#2603 3 months ago

Yeah I’m thinking the magna save is gonna be pretty useless as the reaction time from when the ball is in near the outline to pressing the button is gonna be too late.

#2604 3 months ago

Aside from reaction time, with the magna save being on the lockdown bar it makes it almost impossible to nudge near the right outlane and magna save if need be. It's one or the other.

#2605 3 months ago
Quoted from Darscot:

The idea of waiting in hopes your customers wont realize they are being sold an inferior product for more money is a terrible way to run a business. Just make a better product and stream it in a positive way.

True but you know that's not going to happen until people stop buying these overpriced rehashes.

#2606 3 months ago
Quoted from yuriijos:

Yeah I’m thinking the magna save is gonna be pretty useless as the reaction time from when the ball is in near the outline to pressing the button is gonna be too late.

Well they are changing it to magna drain.

#2607 3 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Monster bash - no knocker!!!

Same for CV.

#2608 3 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Monster bash - no knocker!!!

And the company shut down shortly after shutting down the glorious knocker.

Coincidence????

#2609 3 months ago

how does the left orbit work on the premium? Didn't watch all that much of the premium, but does the ball go up on the launch or on a left orbit shot?

#2610 3 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

True but you know that's not going to happen until people stop buying these overpriced rehashes.

How is this game a rehash? I'm genuinely curious.

#2611 3 months ago

Watching the gameplay reveal with the Pro Black Knight does have me concerned on overall flow. It seemed like a lot of rejects or brick shots trying to hit ramps, etc. My concern is that the tight shots could be like Houdini and over time the precision needed to make the shots makes the game un-enjoyable. My other concern is stop and go with animations....Ball One Locked......etc. I really like the theme and the objectives so it will really come down to how it plays for me in person. I am hoping the video is nothing like how it actually plays in person. If it flows well-I will like it, if it is a brick fest-I will not.

#2612 3 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

Sounds like Stern might stop streaming early as it sounds like they are going to lose alot of money with people switching to pros

I doubt it as the reverse could and probably has happened where Pro buyers see a Pre/LE model and decide they must have it. U can't always win.

#2613 3 months ago

After further review, I am entering a wait and see thought pattern. I will be buying this game, but I cannot say I would buy a premium or LE over the Pro until I play it. As many have mentioned the upper playfield created a tremendous amount of unused space. I am not sure it will be deamed “worth it” in the end. Steve could have just as easily made the loop on the lower section of the playfield, like shadow or getaway. I also think that Steve did not address the criticism of the prior bk2000......this latest version is still a one flipper game. How awesome would it have been if this was a two ramp game that used a diverter to dump the ball on to the upper playfield once you qualified. It would have flow and depth. By having the ball always pass through the upper playfield you kill flow and end up right back where GOT LE left off and clearly GOT pro was the game to get. Still a beautiful unique game, but definitely fell short in a few areas. I still say this will kick butt as a location game.

#2614 3 months ago
Quoted from thirdedition:

How is this game a rehash? I'm genuinely curious.

Because its "Black Knight"?

The premium will far outsell the pro. The upper PF IS a BK tradition.

#2615 3 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

True but you know that's not going to happen until people stop buying these overpriced rehashes.

No clue what you are talking about. Modern stern has never made a game like this that I can think of. Stern is also not going to stop streaming games because the same people that rush to an LE everytime change their mind like they do on pretty much every title.

The game looks good, great art, pretty awesome looking light show, rocking sound track that is always going to depend on personal tastes, a unique new toy that is molded and sculpted with pretty awesome detail, in your face brutal gameplay that might make IM feel easy, cool theme, code that is yet to be determined. Overall one of sterns best offerings at this point in the release in my opinion. Lots to be determined, but a really cool looking game and a well done release.

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#2616 3 months ago
Quoted from thirdedition:

How is this game a rehash? I'm genuinely curious.

If he thinks this is a rehash then just wait till he sees the new Stern Star Trek release.

"Star Trek, the Trouble with Dimples"

Doh!!

#2617 3 months ago

So I have some interest in the game. What is the executive summary of this post is 4 bullet points or less? For those of use who are too busy eating burritos and drinking beer to muddle through the 2000 posts.

#2618 3 months ago
Quoted from yzfguy:

I can't believe that people actually listen to that guy's podcast. It's embarrassing.

Didnt he get booted out of here for being a total dbag? A few years ago when I was active in here I used to tool on that pudwhack

#2619 3 months ago
Quoted from beefzap:

So I have some interest in the game. What is the executive summary of this post is 4 bullet points or less? For those of use who are too busy eating burritos and drinking beer to muddle through the 2000 posts.

Everyone wanted the LE/Premium, now want the Pro
No real ball save
Awesome game
Pinside contention

Enjoy

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#2620 3 months ago
Quoted from thirdedition:

How is this game a rehash? I'm genuinely curious.

there is absolutely nothing new about this game. Same old same old from stern with absolutely no innovation and just b/c there is a knight in the middle doesn't help. Just my opinion - it just seems like I've played this game before a thousand times. Iron Maiden at least mixed it up with the shot layouts but munsters went right back to complete boredom and this game is following suit.

If you can't understand and see no difference in a PF like IMDN vs this game then you're already in too deep.

#2621 3 months ago
Quoted from WackyBrakke:

Everyone wanted the LE/Premium, now want the Pro
No real ball save
Awesome game
Pinside contention
Enjoy

Thanks, that was way easier

#2622 3 months ago
Quoted from jgentry:

No clue what you are talking about. Modern stern has never made a game like this that I can think of. Stern is also not going to stop streaming games because the same people that rush to an LE everytime change their mind like they do on pretty much every title.
The game looks good, great art, pretty awesome looking light show, rocking sound track that is always going to depend on personal tastes, a unique new toy that is molded and sculpted with pretty awesome detail, in your face brutal gameplay that might make IM feel easy, cool theme, code that is yet to be determined. Overall one of sterns best offerings at this point in the release in my opinion. Lots to be determined, but a really cool looking game and a well done release.

respect your opinion and happy to hear you're looking forward to it. I predict an onslaught of disappointed people just like munsters as this is another snoozer from stern. There is just nothing about this game that makes me think stern even cares. I hope they change course for Jurassic and take a cue from IMDN to at least atempt to innovate.

#2623 3 months ago
Quoted from mandelbloom:

I am thinking "Ive got a golden ticket" and "Umpa Lumpa Dupity De" music is really gonna kill the crappy metal of Black Night!

Fuggin yay. Thanks for your "insight"

#2624 3 months ago
Quoted from beefzap:

So I have some interest in the game. What is the executive summary of this post is 4 bullet points or less? For those of use who are too busy eating burritos and drinking beer to muddle through the 2000 posts.

Burrito burp recap:

-BK good, Stern good
-No upper pf on pro bad
-Stream of pro and LE good
-upper pf bad, Stern cheap

Can’t wait to flip it, wish it wasn’t this way on Pinside.

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#2625 3 months ago
Quoted from pinnyheadhead:

Man there are so many friggin Losers in this site. Used to not be that way.

No question. I was a regular here a few years ago. Now for every useful comment you get you have to endure 10x the diatribe from The Pinside Guild of Whiny Little Bitches.

#2626 3 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

respect your opinion and happy to hear you're looking forward to it. I predict an onslaught of disappointed people just like munsters as this is another snoozer from stern. There is just nothing about this game that makes me think stern even cares. I hope they change course for Jurassic and take a cue from IMDN to at least atempt to innovate.

I cant think of another toy in pinball like the knight. Seems pretty innovative too me. To each their own though.

#2627 3 months ago
Quoted from rcbrown316:

No question. I was a regular here a few years ago. Now for every useful comment you get you have to endure 10x the diatribe from The Pinside Guild of Whiny Little Bitches.

This comment kinda makes you seem like a...whiny little bitch.

Just sayin'.

#2628 3 months ago
Quoted from dirtbag66:

This comment kinda makes you seem like a...whiny little bitch.
Just sayin'.

Got to live up to your name lol.

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#2629 3 months ago

Just a friendly reminder that it's fine to like things other people don't like, and that it's fine to disagree with the masses. Think for yourself.

I still want an upper pf and I'm still in on an LE. I watched the whole stream and I still want an LE more than a pro.

I think the animations look great. Even if I didn't, who cares, how much do you look at your display? You should be happy they at least show the scores at all times.

I think the sound is great. If I didn't, I could just change it in pinball browser (or more likely let one of you whiners do it because you would rather listen to Kenny G then metal). None of you deserve this game.

I also don't really care that the magna-save button is now in the center of the lockdown bar. Adjust your strategies you old farts, it's not bk2k and you can't play it like it is. Boo hoo. On top of that, installing another flipper button on the side and rewiring my center button to it is not that difficult of a project if I decide the center button being magna-save is as big of a nightmare as you all make it out to be. But I probably won't, I'll probably just accept it because it's not a big deal. First you complain about how you only need to use the right flipper, and then you say you won't have a hand free to use magna save. Make up your mind.

The code looks pretty damn good. More than any other step in the right direction, it's nice to see a game that looks like it's actually close to being finished right on release.

You're all whiners and you don't deserve a game this good. Go listen to showtunes and play WoZ, this game isn't for you.

#2630 3 months ago

All i know is at this time tomorrow I will be flipping the game and I am flippin pumped!

#2631 3 months ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

yes, you get a lag in the audio and the mic picks it up and trashes the sound.
Neil.

We have been doing it for years with sound on both.
Works great.
Never had a complaint.
Just have to keep game volume on low.

#2632 3 months ago
Quoted from rcbrown316:

Fuggin yay. Thanks for your "insight"

#sarcasm

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#2633 3 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

there is absolutely nothing new about this game. Same old same old from stern with absolutely no innovation and just b/c there is a knight in the middle doesn't help. Just my opinion - it just seems like I've played this game before a thousand times. Iron Maiden at least mixed it up with the shot layouts but munsters went right back to complete boredom and this game is following suit.
If you can't understand and see no difference in a PF like IMDN vs this game then you're already in too deep.

What game in the past 25 years has a similar layout to BKSOR LE? What toys are similar to the Black Knight toy? What other modern games have a player controlled magna-save over the outlanes? What other games have LEDs that simulate a giant fire in the back, what other games have a custom 'metal' soundtrack? What other Stern games are based off an original non-licensed pinball title? I can go on and on.....

I applaud Stern for actually taking a risk and doing something different and original with this game.

#2634 3 months ago
Quoted from MikeS:

What game in the past 25 years has a similar layout to BKSOR LE? What toys are similar to the Black Knight toy? What other modern games have a player controlled magna-save over the outlanes? What other games have LEDs that simulate a giant fire in the back, what other games have a custom 'metal' soundtrack? What other Stern games are based off an original non-licensed pinball title? I can go on and on.....

You forgot the one thing it has in common to get a lot of this type of criticism... It has a Stern name badge.

#2635 3 months ago

This machine is haunting me, I watched the stream and I put myself in the players heads and when anyone was lighting it up, and not really making it do things like complete bosses, but just blindly went after 6 ball multiball and got it going-

And then you keep it going... that was the hard part. Steve needs to remember we like tucking balls back in locks and multiplying our jackpots until we lock 5 balls and shoot the Chuck You Black Knight Quintuple Super Jackpot with the sixth ball and walk away a GC... if our Sword is charged all the way of course or does anyone remember those kinds of rulesets? Now I miss the jp shot and you make me fight all your minions to light locks to build back to 6 ball MB and I will play it all day. Let me trade qualified magnasaves for instant Sword Charge but only for the current ball and only for a relative amount of time per magnasave traded. Give me a Mystery Award that gives me the chance to make a choice and deal with the devil himself... Now that would be a nice easter egg mystery award to give out once in a blue moon.

#2636 3 months ago
Quoted from aeonblack:

... I watched the whole stream and I still want an LE more than a pro. ... I think the animations look great. ... I think the sound is great. ... None of you deserve this game. ... Adjust your strategies you old farts ... Boo hoo.
The code looks pretty damn good. ... You're all whiners and you don't deserve a game this good.

We're not worthy.gif

Hurry up and stream the damn game!

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#2637 3 months ago

Lots of bk at the show....FB_IMG_1554953862073 (resized).jpg

#2638 3 months ago

Hard to tell...are those 2 deep?

#2639 3 months ago

Put my deposit down on a Pro model, now the waiting game begins! Might try live streaming this one

#2640 3 months ago

Game looks to have potential!

Not a fan of the look of the Black Knight's castle though - reminds me of a cross between a termite mound and the Kraken.

#2641 3 months ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

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Hurry up and stream the damn game!

Haha, as soon as it gets here I'll do an unbox, setup and gameplay stream. My expectation is next month sometime.

#2642 3 months ago

Renopinball will stream BKSOR when we receive our LE.

#2643 3 months ago

Clearly the most impressive thing about BKSoR is that I leaned it is okay to say fuck in my pinside posts. Thanks you awesome community of haters .

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#2644 3 months ago

I don’t get it.....having the upper playfield is AMAZING! Wether you like it or not, it’s more game. 6 ball multiball people! Play the pro, play it for a few weeks, believe me, you will wish it had the upper playfield. The premium and Le has everything the pro has, plus the extra multiball and challenges...who wouldn’t want that?? Without that upper playfield, it’s kind of like every stern game. With it, it separates it from the ordinary.

#2645 3 months ago

I'm shocked at all the pro love.

#2646 3 months ago

Game reminds me of Iron Man - really brutal.

Hoping the rules match the layout.

#2647 3 months ago

To me, the game looked great. I don't know Tim, but being that this is his first game (as lead) and his passion in general for pinball, I have no qualms about this turning into something special. As for the upper playfield, yeah it feels like it was missing something, maybe not physically... maybe just more fanfare when you make shots. Steve did mention there was a switch that was disconnected, so we'll see what happens.

I'm genuinely excited to see how this game evolves. Steve is probably the best at giving his fans a game that get your adrenaline going. JJP games and other recent sterns (while still fun) haven't checked that mark. (for me anyway)

#2648 3 months ago

Still love the prem/LE, lack of a ramp / too much low playfield axed game on the pro.

Wait for full fonctionnal prem and improved code, still 2 month for prem delivery...lot of time.

Sure Steve and tim will takes all the "bad" remarks to improve it soon, and i'm still convinced that the reveal was precipitated by the "bug early video trailer"... reveal an bugged LE gameplay is not a Stern thing.

Let see what's futur will be

#2649 3 months ago
Quoted from Cgpinhead:

who wouldn’t want that??

Me

#2650 3 months ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

I'm shocked at all the pro love.

Why? some people really dislike upper and lower PF's. WW is one where I enjoy the upper PF as its just another shot not a mini game. Once you have targets and little ramps its over but we all like different things. My problem is the lack of 2 ramps, I need to play the game before I pass judgment but that is the biggest let down in the layout for me. Now a pro with no upper PF and a second ramp. Damn.

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