This game looks awesome!

Saying that I have stopped drinking the koolaid and will buy a premium or LE in a year or so once the code has proven itself. I got lucky with dead pool and that is the last risk I am willing to take.

I give em credit. They have balls dumping on bksor with a new release the same weekend.... i’d Say they must be proud of it and feel they knocked it outta the park, but I was in Texas for ybr and they were quite proud of that too... yea.

Typical brash arrogance.

How can you compare a BKSOR to a Willy Wonka?

Thatd be like comparing a sports car to an RV.

I don‘t understand this comparison. Are we saying sports cars are worthless because you can‘t transport a pin with one? Which pin is suppossed to be a sports car? And isn‘t this one of these forbidden carguments???

I think the comparison gets lost in translation.

I love how Panzer is always comparing JJP to Stern. Yes JJP will cram 2x as much stuff in their playfields and in turn their games will play clunky and average players will scratch their heads at the 20+ modes to play. But they have more 'toys' so that must mean that they are better? For me JJP games look good but play like crap(Dialed In is their best attempt), I would take Stern over JJP any day of the week. Black Knight will kick Wonka's ass!

From what I‘ve been reading here in Pinside, if it came to a fight between Wonka and Black Knight, the cabinet on BK would split and the legs would fall off.

I can't believe that people actually listen to that guy's podcast. It's embarrassing.

It’s amazing how a little access can make someone a fanboy. Well done Jack. You made Kaneda feel special.

Whatever Sterns are or aren’t, I love shooting them. They’re just fun to play. They announce a game and they ship it within a couple weeks. Can’t wait for Black Knight LE.

If stern would stop cutting every corner they can AND raising prices, everyone would love them to death. The cheapness of their product is often shocking. For example, my IMDNLE plumb bob threads disintegrated in my hand the first time I tried to adjust it. When I looked at it, I realized it's made of some sort of compressed composite that is worse than Chinese pot metal. It's as if they have some company in China that has children gathering metal from the hills and pressing bobs for them. Also, the power supply is absolute garbage, and the mechs are made of crap metal too.

For the record, I love playing Sterns, but they do not have to skimp on hardware like this. JJP games have their issues too, but the issues are not related to finding the absolute cheapest path to production. I'm waiting for the Stern nodes to start failing. Then we'll see how happy all the Stern customers are. Again, I want to love Stern, but their hardware often sucks. Someone else needs to compete at their price range to smarten them up.

Sorry dude, whining about Stern’s node boards is so 2018.

My Munsters LE is very solid.

So on the Slam Tilt podcast Timballs confirmed that BKSoR will play the original BK lit spinner sound when in “legacy” mode! So awesome!

Who let the Oompa Loompa’s out of their cage again! Why must The Black Knight always clean up this orange musical mess?!
Damn you, Wonka!

Edit: Who is this Kaneda clown and why should I care about his opinions?

First off, Kaneda mentioned that, not me. I haven't played Wonka yet.

Didn’t you already tap out of this thread?

We seriously need a separate “panzer JJP vs. Everything” thread. At this point it’s beyond tiresome.

Crazy, I would buy every Stern pin if I could, they are all fun. I've never played a modern Stern that I haven't had fun playing. I was just stating an opinion as home buyer and also that I didn't say that quote, Kaneda did. Someone will say the exact opposite thing. I think BK3 is going to be one hell of a game based on everything I'm seeing. The playfield design looks cool, it has an awesome interactive toy with the Black Knight, and the animation teasers Stern has released look very nice.

Also, I posted my reply thinking this was the Wonka thread still that I was viewing lol. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted that reply here, I deleted it. This is general game thread where criticism regardless of the game should be able to be openly discussed without someone being attacked. If not then maybe those people are the real fanboys.

Did I stumble into the wonka thread? Isn't this a BK thread? Why bring another game into it?

New thread filter option:
Allow JJP owners? Yes/No

Didnt Kaneda try to defend jjp pricing, saying there is only a $1,500 difference to a Stern?

Well up here in Canada a Stern Pro will run you $7,600 cdn, JJP Pirates $11,000 cdn. ($3,400 cdn. That's a $2,500 usd price gap)
There are lots of arguements to be had (elsewhere) but cost is still 50% of jjps problem. I will be impressed with JJp if they ship Wonka in a timely manner though.

Edit: i dont know why afm pic attached but I cant undo it either. Weird

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I think he was referring to Stern Premium vs JJP LE pricing which would really be $2k. BK3 premium should be around $7500 and Wonka LE $9500. Maybe he meant something else. $2k is a big difference in price and at $9500+ it should have more in it.

One thing I'm bummed about with JJP lately is their lack of powder coat quality on LE games. Both WOZ and Hobbit have a high quality powder coat, whereas Dialed In looks like standard flat baked on enamel. Pirates LE has a black powder coat that is inferior to the Stern pro standard black powder coat and I say that as a owner. It's BS that JJP buyers have to pay for a CE now to get the best powder coated version. Meanwhile Stern looks to be offering far superior powder coated armour on their latest LE's. The one on BK3 LE looks very nice.

Ok that was...

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Looks pretty frickin' cool. Curious to see how it will get priced and trim levels.

Looks awesome! Except for the angle between the forearm and elbow of the shield bearing arm, what's the deal with that?

(just to be clear, I'm not serious. Though the angle could be off for all I know).

Because people only own or like pins from one manufacturer.

It seems like Stern might be changing up their production order for BKSoR. Normally would be Pros and then LEs and then more Pros and then Prems on the line.

I think they (correctly?) are anticipating a higher than usual demand for Prems since most people equate BK with an upper pf.

This is great news for me, currently on the list for a Prem!

I don't know what your talking about you should have stopped at AWSOME!

I am thinking "Ive got a golden ticket" and "Umpa Lumpa Dupity De" music is really gonna kill the crappy metal of Black Night!

I think it was several posts back you got upset upon being attacked for JJP fueled horseshit comments and here they are again. I don't care whats in WWonka its a fucking chocolatier who keeps midgets in his house to make candy and sing nursery rhymes. I'll take the stripped, fast as lightning Stern BK3 with Heavy Metal soundtrack any day of the week. Good luck to u sir.

Did you guys ever watch the movie? He didn't keep the Oompa LOompas as slaves, he rescued them and gave them a home.

Yeah, but then he killed 4 of the children

...that's what they always say.

Pros are still being made first. We were able to buy a pro through the MGC show deal but not premium or LE since those aren’t being made yet.

Counting down the days to the stream!

All this Wonka/Kaneda talk:

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Actually it was a few people that were originally bashing JJP in this thread, specifically Dialed In. I replied back to a couple of those posts, was attacked over it yet I now somehow started it? lol. Fuzzy memory you have. Enjoy BK3, looking forward to playing one.

Pretty sure I heard a similar argument when Hobbit was announced, then again when PoTC was announced.
How’d that turn out in the end? You’ll have to help me on this one... nobody I know owns one.
Ridiculous comment made from a buffoon who’s not actually interested in this hobby, but has somehow pried his way into it, in order to seek out attention. If JJP games are your thing, cool. Their thread is over that way, somewhere.

It was just a quote from Kaneda in a general thread. I then just mentioned it's going to be fun to watch both Wonka and BK3 going head to head next weekend at MGC as each will have its public debut at the show. I don't agree with what Kaneda said about BK3 as I haven't played either game. If you don't want want to read any critical comments I would suggest an owners / fan thread.

Yeah, I was referring to “Special K”.
You sir, are a much different type of buffoon, no offence.

Go ahead and call me more names, I'm not stooping to your level. I'm sorry you can't read critical comments or questions about a Stern pin without insulting someone and calling them names over it.

This thread should be called "Black Knight wordS of Rage"

Sure but there’s at least one Premium on the line now! Normally wouldn’t be for another month or more.

That’s just it. It’s NOT a critical comment about a Stern pin. It’s just more “raa raa” hype for a JJP game because it’s got more b.o.m.
Time and time again, it has been proven that b.o.m. alone does not make a game any fun.

So don’t come in here, quoting ridiculous comments from a buffoon who’s been banned from this website and expect any love.

You could be a gentleman and be the one who *finishes* it though. A few people bashed a game you like in a thread that has nothing to do with your game. You said your piece ad nauseum, we all get your stance. Please start another thread if you really want to continue this debate.

Ever open up pinside and see one of your favorite threads is bursting with activity? Start getting excited there's a new video or announcement or mode or Easter egg discovered? Then you click to read the 68 new posts from the past 2-3 hours(!!!)... Just to wind up wading through an obsessive back-and-forth between overzealous fanboys...broken up by a peppering of people that are genuinely hyped about the game. Yeah, i know it's nothing new. Sometimes I get hopeful though, that we could have a thread revealing a new game that doesn't completely devolve into an 'us vs them' shitstorm.

Anyway, I'm really hyped to hear the original Black Knight lit spinner sound is going to be making an appearance in legacy mode!!!! Bring on the deadflip stream already!!!!

I'm over it, and rather talk about Black Knight Sword of Rage. I'm interested in the legacy mode as well. The far left shot seems designated for it so I'm not sure if there's just one or multiple legacy modes, maybe multiple levels to it?

Man there are so many friggin Losers in this site. Used to not be that way.

Oh really? They said only prototype premiums would be available at MGC for play.

Just going off this post https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/sterns-next-pin-black-knight-sword-of-rage-pinball/page/42#post-4924677

News flash: Most people on here couldn't care less what d-bag Kaneda has to say about anything. Bring him up and JJP in a BKSOR thread and you're gonna get downvotes. How is that hard to understand?

Oops, I just mentioned him and JJP. Please have mercy.... LOL

I can't wait for our local launch party on May 3rd!

Omg, I never said I hate JJP. I hate that it only seems to be JJP owners who feel the need to go on every thread that isnt JJP to trash anything they can. Wonka will probably be a good game but this is the Black Knight thread.
So...back on topic,
Tuesday, Black Knight. Very excited to see what it has to offer. No more guessing how things will work. I'm hoping the pro is solid as that is my usual price bracket.