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Black Knight Sword of Rage!!! - Sterns next machine!!!


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#1851 16 days ago
Quoted from WackyBrakke:

This game is going to be soooooo amazing I just can't wait for it Im losing my mind I needed it nowwwwwwww

And I thought I wanted my MBrLE bad... but I agree, this one makes me giddy as hell as well. And if we are lucky it will satisfy my craving for BK2K too. Orherwise it will send BK2K prices through the roof. My brother has an OG BK, though, so at least we have some BK blood in the family.

#1852 16 days ago

I love BK2K so this machine has really sparked my interest in possibly buying my 1st NIB title (even though I've considered others I just never followed through). I understand the upper play field is an iconic feature for the title but; is that and it's components the only difference in the Pro and Premium? The Feature Matrix seems to state that case but maybe I'm missing some other features. Do you think that additional cost of the Premium is too high if the only difference is the upper play field? Perhaps the game play is so much better that the additional cost is justified but either way from the teaser videos this looks like an amazing game.

Usually my budget is less than the cost of a Pro model but I'm hopeful I can somehow find the funds.

Honestly, the biggest disappointment to me is the lack of the mirrored backglass found on the LE model.

#1853 16 days ago
Quoted from tiltmonster:

I love BK2K so this machine has really sparked my interest in possibly buying my 1st NIB title (even though I've considered others I just never followed through). I understand the upper play field is an iconic feature for the title but; is that and it's components the only difference in the Pro and Premium? The Feature Matrix seems to state that case but maybe I'm missing some other features. Do you think that additional cost of the Premium is too high if the only difference is the upper play field? Perhaps the game play is so much better that the additional cost is justified but either way from the teaser videos this looks like an amazing game.
Usually my budget is less than the cost of a Pro model but I'm hopeful I can somehow find the funds.
Honestly, the biggest disappointment to me is the lack of the mirrored backglass found on the LE model.

Is the Premium worth the extra dough? This will vary person to person. Very subjective thing. Is it worth it to you is the real question.
A patient man, which many of us are not, would play both and then decide.

Regarding the mirrored backglass, I see they're calling it that on the feature sheet. Are they still doing the mirrored translite thing, or is it a real silkscreen backglass this time?

#1854 16 days ago

We dont fully know what effects the upper playfield has on game play yet, so right now, its a guess. What we do know is that it locks 3 balls and will start its own mulitball that can be stacked with a lower pf multiball. It also has a loop like BK2K. We probably wont find out until either a JD stream or MGC. So is it worth it? Up to you to decide.

#1855 16 days ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Is the Premium worth the extra dough? This will vary person to person. Very subjective thing. Is it worth it to you is the real question.
A patient man, which many of us are not, would play both and then decide.

Regarding the mirrored backglass, I see they're calling it that on the feature sheet. Are they still doing the mirrored translite thing, or is it a real silkscreen backglass this time?

Quoted from BrewNinja:

We dont fully know what effects the upper playfield has on game play yet, so right now, its a guess. What we do know is that it locks 3 balls and will start its own mulitball that can be stacked with a lower pf multiball. It also has a loop like BK2K. We probably wont find out until either a JD stream or MGC. So is it worth it? Up to you to decide.

All fair points, and I agree. My question was poorly worded... it seems like a lot of extra money for the upper play field (ball lock, flipper, lexan, 1 drop target, steel rail) but I suppose that's always the case between the Pro/Premium models. I certainly don't want manufactures basing prices on game play (you know the costs won't decrease if it's bad, they will only increase if they are good).

#1856 16 days ago
Quoted from tiltmonster:

All fair points, and I agree. My question was poorly worded... it seems like a lot of extra money for the upper play field (ball lock, flipper, lexan, 1 drop target, steel rail) but I suppose that's always the case between the Pro/Premium models. I certainly don't want manufactures basing prices on game play (you know the costs won't decrease if it's bad, they will only increase if they are good).

I love the theme and BK was my first game, etc. In on Premium currently but I'm actually torn about the upper PF. It honestly looks pretty boring. 3 shots, one of which is a loop. Would have been much better if they could have added another 3 drop target bank up there. Maybe talk to Multimorphic about a cool drop target mech that can mount flush on plastic.

Also shots seems super right-flipper heavy with almost everything returning to the right flipper on the ramp.

Will be very interested in game-play footage on this one...

#1857 16 days ago

plus the pro has a spinner to the left lane shot (premium has a drop target) and the ramp one the pro looks cool not sure I like the ramp feeding the upper PF. Will be about the rules for me if I buy the game.

watching BK2 really looks cool with all the lights and music, the upper PF takes up a lot of the game I never played it before.

#1858 16 days ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

Orherwise it will send BK2K prices through the roof.

Im not so certain about that. I can only speak for myself, but for the longest time, I've wanted a BK2K. Never came across one here locally. Now, ever since this new one has been announced, I'd rather get a BK3 instead.

There is currently a restored BK2K for 5k in the market, but I think i'd rather pay for a NIB (or lightly used) BK3, than for a nice 4-5k BK2K. BK3 is likely to be the much deeper game.

Of course there are those who will seek to own the trilogy, but I know there are also others who may be limited on space/funds and seek to have only the deepest game with the best replay.

#1859 16 days ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

I'm operating ACDC VE. The window gets scratched up and hazy. Have had to pull it to polish it multiple times.
I'm generally a fan of upper playfields, but not too keen on plastic ones. I don't get this gripe about not being able to see the ball when it goes underneath. Maybe a newb thing?
I wouldnt kick BK prem/LE out of bed, but I'm going Pro.
Would've went prem if the upper pf was wood w/artwork & inserts etc.

I can see with a route game that wood would be better. In this case, I like being able to see the pops, roll over lanes, etc... underneath, I prefer lexan to wood with this layout. In a home environment I think it holds up really well.

#1860 16 days ago
Quoted from tiltmonster:

I love BK2K so this machine has really sparked my interest in possibly buying my 1st NIB title (even though I've considered others I just never followed through). I understand the upper play field is an iconic feature for the title but; is that and it's components the only difference in the Pro and Premium? The Feature Matrix seems to state that case but maybe I'm missing some other features. Do you think that additional cost of the Premium is too high if the only difference is the upper play field? Perhaps the game play is so much better that the additional cost is justified but either way from the teaser videos this looks like an amazing game.
Usually my budget is less than the cost of a Pro model but I'm hopeful I can somehow find the funds.
Honestly, the biggest disappointment to me is the lack of the mirrored backglass found on the LE model.

Upperplayfield with 3rd Flipper, Ball Lock, RGB Floodlights and other shots. Runway lights beneath the metal ramps lightning bolts, Powdercoated metal apron, drop target instead of 2nd spinner...

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#1861 16 days ago

It's on the line.....

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#1862 16 days ago
Quoted from TomGWI:

I canceled my preorder for a pro today. Decided to wait and see and play the game at MGC.

I know it's only been a week since reveal, but where's the gameplay stream? I might have been spoiled by how quickly the Munsters Pro was streamed after the initial reveal, but BK:SOR loses momentum with every day that passes, leading to these types of preorder cancellations.

#1863 16 days ago
Quoted from Blacksun:

It's on the line.....
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Uhm...

On the riggt is Ripleys Vault!!!

#1865 16 days ago
Quoted from knockerlover:

I've bought nearly every Stern LE since Star Trek, every CGC LE. The guy they have partnered with (Jack Danger) to show first looks at live gameplay, and Stern pull a crappy stunt to dangle it in the faces of their customers. Thread drained, order cancelled, I'll be waiting to see what JJP does..

You think you will be less frustrated with JJP

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#1866 16 days ago
Quoted from JY64:

You think you will be less frustrated with JJP
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Hmm this post isn't about price. Shocking.

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#1867 16 days ago

April 9th. 4pm. Both pro and premium gameplay by none other than deadflip !!

#1868 16 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

On the riggt is Ripleys Vault!!!

old test rig for sure, there's a Sopranos backbox in the background too!

#1869 16 days ago
Quoted from f3honda4me:

Hmm this post isn't about price. Shocking.

No like I said before calling out BS

#1870 16 days ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Is the Premium worth the extra dough? This will vary person to person. Very subjective thing. Is it worth it to you is the real question.
A patient man, which many of us are not, would play both and then decide.
Regarding the mirrored backglass, I see they're calling it that on the feature sheet. Are they still doing the mirrored translite thing, or is it a real silkscreen backglass this time?

Not sure about every release but I have seen GBLE, ASLE, IMDNLE, and DPLE and they have actual screened BG and the mirroring effect is very nice in most cases.

#1871 16 days ago

I have had bk2k for almost 8 years now and I can't imagine liking this new one more. I play BK2K weekly if not daily, and it STILL kicks my butt sometimes. I have never considered paying 7500 for a pinball machine in my life, but I am considering this. I will need to play it first to be sure.

#1872 16 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Uhm...
On the riggt is Ripleys Vault!!!

More likely the less successful games get used as dummy testers at the factory. Sopranos and RBION? Why vault games that go for 2/3 the price of a nib and that nobody has even been asking about. A guy locally has been trying to sell his Rbion for months.

#1873 16 days ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

More likely the less successful games get used as dummy testers at the factory. Sopranos and RBION? Why vault games that go for 2/3 the price of a nib and that nobody has even been asking about. A guy locally has been trying to sell his Rbion for months.

Yeah I was way too quick...

But RBION is a great game, a vault could sell if you redo most of the art package....

#1874 16 days ago

What are the combo shots?

#1875 16 days ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

Does anyone think the clear upper PF is going to be so scratched after a short while so you won't be able to see thru it? I had a WPT that had this issue and with the recent cheapening that Stern does I wouldn't doubt if the plastic isn't has durable as in the past. I ordered a pro but really like the look of the upper PF. I'd like to play one first and upgrade later if possible but that plastic playfield has me concerned.

It’s Lexan and has been used without scratching on other games or without issue. Dialed In has a smallish Lexan upper playfield. Zero scratches or issues and the ball bounces and pounces on it all the time. Keep the balls in good order and wood or Lexan playfield will too.

#1876 16 days ago
Quoted from tiltmonster:

I love BK2K so this machine has really sparked my interest in possibly buying my 1st NIB title (even though I've considered others I just never followed through). I understand the upper play field is an iconic feature for the title but; is that and it's components the only difference in the Pro and Premium? The Feature Matrix seems to state that case but maybe I'm missing some other features. Do you think that additional cost of the Premium is too high if the only difference is the upper play field? Perhaps the game play is so much better that the additional cost is justified but either way from the teaser videos this looks like an amazing game.
Usually my budget is less than the cost of a Pro model but I'm hopeful I can somehow find the funds.
Honestly, the biggest disappointment to me is the lack of the mirrored backglass found on the LE model.

Look at the feature sheet LE has:

Upper play field
Mirrored back glass
High end speakers sound system
Invisaglass
Metal flake powder coat paint on all legs and armor, gold bolts
Appears to have lighted speaker rings or colored speaker rings
Inside art blades
Collectors number plate
Signed plate by SR
Shaker motor
Unique art package and back glass

Yes, getting a lot more than just upper playfield on an LE. Add that all up, the value is there. They didn’t use to have this deep extras list on LEs. But since Munsters LE, LE features and quality has really gone up! Impressed now that Stern is giving us LE buyers what we want for extra money spent.

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#1877 16 days ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

It’s Lexan and has been used without scratching on other games or without issue. Dialed In has a smallish Lexan upper playfield. Zero scratches or issues and the ball bounces and pounces on it all the time. Keep the balls in good order and wood or Lexan playfield will too.

If lexan is so durable, why doesn’t any manufacturer make their entire playfield from it and reverse print art on the underside? If you need a window, mask that area of artwork. Something tells me lexan isn’t quite that durable ...

#1878 16 days ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

If lexan is so durable, why doesn’t any manufacturer make their entire playfield from it and reverse print art on the underside? If you need a window, mask that area of artwork? Something tells me it isn’t quite that easy ...

JJP successfully used it on DI. Not a scratch on mine.

BTW, I prefer wood always, but understand why they’re using Lexan in this case. I would hope we never see anyone using Lexan for main playfield. Will stop buying if that happened. Wood is part of the charm.

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#1879 16 days ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

JJP successfully used it on DI. Not a scratch on mine.

I mean plexi for main playfield plus upper playfield. Get rid of the wood that keeps dimpling.

#1880 16 days ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

I mean plexi for main playfield plus upper playfield. Get rid of the wood that keeps dimpling.

Dimpling too is part of the charm. It’s like a good Pantene on your leather phone case or wallet.

#1881 16 days ago

Listen, strange women, lying around in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government... but damn if I don’t look at the Premium and say “there is just enough BK2K DNA mixed with OG BK DNA” in that upper playfield, the flail ramp that takes me to the upper playfield like old OG used to through the spinner, plus you give me at least one set of timed drop targets to shoot for, a WAR lane, three bank of bumpers... lower Shield ball lock in the same place as OG lower lock shot, but now with active shield mech, poppers, and mechanical locks... new LCD animations, updated acid metal soundtrack, a more retro Fantasy stylised art package, and ask yourself, why are you not pulling a back muscle right now in your haste to grab your phone and call your distributor and put one on order?

#1882 16 days ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

If lexan is so durable, why doesn’t any manufacturer make their entire playfield from it and reverse print art on the underside? If you need a window, mask that area of artwork. Something tells me lexan isn’t quite that durable ...

Does multimorphic use Lexan? Whatever it is, it works.

#1883 16 days ago

Yeah I have zero worries about the upper playfield. I've owned two WPTs over the years that I played the heck out of them. Keep the game waxed and don't use beaten up balls and it will be fine in any home use situation. Once a year a little Novus 2 maybe.

Clear is the only way to go because it doesn't block the view below. The original two BK's were two level playfields with the same real estate as a single level playfield. Having the clear upper field like BK3 or WPT just adds more mechs and shiny things to shoot for. It literally has a full playfield and an upper playfield.

#1884 16 days ago

Would be better if it was PETG vs Lexan, but if it’s thick enough it probably won’t matter.

#1885 16 days ago

zaccaria used lexan for upper play fields in the 80s and they were super durable and clear.

Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

If lexan is so durable, why doesn’t any manufacturer make their entire playfield from it and reverse print art on the underside? If you need a window, mask that area of artwork. Something tells me lexan isn’t quite that durable ...

#1886 16 days ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

Look at the feature sheet LE has:
Upper play field
Mirrored back glass
High end speakers sound system
Invisaglass
Metal flake powder coat paint on all legs and armor, gold bolts
Appears to have lighted speaker rings or colored speaker rings
Inside art blades
Collectors number plate
Signed plate by SR
Shaker motor
Unique art package and back glass
Yes, getting a lot more than just upper playfield on an LE. Add that all up, the value is there. They didn’t use to have this deep extras list on LEs. But since Munsters LE, LE features and quality has really gone up! Impressed now that Stern is giving us LE buyers what we want for extra money spent.

No argument here... I wasn't talking about the LE, those costs seem like they are worth the extra cash, at least for some anyway, but I just don't have those funds available for 1 machine.

#1887 16 days ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

Look at the feature sheet LE has:
Upper play field
Mirrored back glass
High end speakers sound system
Invisaglass
Metal flake powder coat paint on all legs and armor, gold bolts
Appears to have lighted speaker rings or colored speaker rings
Inside art blades
Collectors number plate
Signed plate by SR
Shaker motor
Unique art package and back glass
Yes, getting a lot more than just upper playfield on an LE. Add that all up, the value is there. They didn’t use to have this deep extras list on LEs. But since Munsters LE, LE features and quality has really gone up! Impressed now that Stern is giving us LE buyers what we want for extra money spent.

Ok.....so now do a comparison list between Pro and PREMIUM model........and show me what an extra $2650 Aussie dollars give me.

#1888 16 days ago

A great night in Bangkok?

#1889 16 days ago

A dingo shooter or a years supply of fosters?

#1890 16 days ago
Quoted from Wotto:

Ok.....so now do a comparison list between Pro and PREMIUM model........and show me what an extra $2650 Aussie dollars give me.

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#1891 16 days ago
Quoted from estrader:

A dingo shooter or a years supply of fosters?

Fosters...
..Worst........beer...........ever.....

#1892 16 days ago
Quoted from Wotto:

Fosters...
..Worst........beer...........ever.....

I used to work w/ an Aussie years back. He told me they bottled that piss for us stupid Americans lol he used to crack my shit up... refferring to people as moles all the time n what-not

#1893 16 days ago

I'm not saying there isn't strong glass that won't scratch. I'm saying if Stern had to pick between Lexan and cellophane I think I know which one they'd go with.

#1894 16 days ago

No need to turn this personal but I'll admit back in my day it was quantity over quality...

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#1895 16 days ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

I'm not saying there isn't strong glass that won't scratch. I'm saying if Stern had to pick between Lexan and cellophane I think I know which one they'd go with.

I’m stumped - they seem to have gone with Lexan, so are you saying they couldn’t source sufficient cellophane for the job?

#1896 16 days ago
Quoted from jgentry:

Not sure about every release but I have seen GBLE, ASLE, IMDNLE, and DPLE and they have actual screened BG and the mirroring effect is very nice in most cases.

It looks downright awesome on GOTGLE in person with the purple glowing orb. On the other hand doesn’t make nearly as big a difference on DPLE. Predicting based on how they look from pics I think BKSORLE will be more like GOTGLE where the mirroring effect adds a lot of wow factor because all the flames and orange.

#1897 16 days ago

Plexiglass is a trade name for Acrylic
Lexan is a trade name for Polycarbonate
Vivak is a trade name for PETG

Acrylic will shatter from a shock load Polycarbonate won't

You can get a coated polycarbonate that is extremely wear resistant but its expensive.

PETG is too soft to use as a playfield surface but you can laser cut it and cold bend it too.

#1898 16 days ago

Live feed April 9 4 pm central https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/

#1899 15 days ago
Quoted from epotech:

You can get a coated polycarbonate that is extremely wear resistant but its expensive.

this is the best bet. Polycarb is a stable enough substrate to vapor deposit clear transparent metal coatings onto, and it will last really well as long as there isnt any ball bearings bouncing around on it... oh wait, damn. Ok, well uncoated Lexan is pretty durable too...

#1900 15 days ago

Are LE's sold out?

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