Reminds me of the trunk shot on ToM or Glinda target on WOZ, If you dont make it then STDM! Very challenging.

$1000 is $1000. And $8000 is $8000. And no one will ever convince me a pinball is worth that.

Edit: and I have played it. It's cool. I don't really have a strong opinion either way. Definitely too expensive, that's all I cared about. Once you're skipping over the price everything else gets hard to invest emotional energy in.

Just good to see you back in the mix Aurich.

To each their own with the theme and gameplay...it's whatever you prefer. To me (and just my opinion) most Sterns feel and shoot the same. I've played the hell out of SM, Avatar, IM, XMen and Avengers....and not a huge difference "feel" wise. I would take a Medusa or Pharaoh over most Sterns any day. Those games are fun as hell to play, and not recycled layouts (like FG to Shrek, or Austin Powers to IM). Original and unlicensed themes rule, especially the artwork usually. I'm starting to care less and less about these debates anymore. $7500, $8500, $9500, BM66 for $15K. Prices are just ridiculous period.

What's ridiculous is when people quote BM66 as $15k.

MSRP for a Premium is $8,599 -and you shouldn't be paying full MSRP as we all know.

I didn't mention a model, so it's not ridiculous. The Super Duper LE is / was $15k, right? That's a fact, and what I was referencing. I don't see where I said a premium costs that much. Everyone knows there were cheaper versions available.

Watch the video, Some of those shots weren't missed. It just grabs the ball and drops it SDTM. Not a very good design.

This stuff happens alot and a few examples are ....... Twd prison magnet does it sometines and out of the pop bumpers also. . When the ball comes out of the pops on the left on gb it happens sometimes also . Its pinball ...shit happens on every game that isn't fair sometimes. Thats why pinball is fun ....if it played the same every time that wldnt b much fun imo. Every time i played di i never experienced any center drains from that magnet.....

The Magnet pulse was fixed on TWD. Also adding a post from the pops fixed the pops drain on mine & many others too. Having a magnet just catch the ball and drop it STDM is pretty bad and they may want to try and fix it with some code programming.

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I dont think its a issue as these are prototype pins and the few i played didnt have this problem and most videos ive watched didnt have this problem. Its probably just a bad set up or something else going on. It will be fine . I hate when i hit the afm ship or mm gate and it shoots back down the middle .... but thats pinball. By the way i had a walking dead prem for quite a while ....it still put it down the middle om occasion. I really think your making a big stink about nothing. Crazy what people find to complain about anymore. Its a dam toy ....

its not a toy like AFM or MM. Its a magnet that catches the ball and drops it down the drain. But hey if you are into that kinda gameplay I'm sure you'll love the game then.

What he's saying and I said, too, is that this didn't happen for us. I played many games at PAGG and that never happened once, so it's maybe bad setup or a Canada-only feature.

I'll take your word then. Interesting that it happened 4-5 times in a 30 min video though and the ball didn't seem like it was favoring one side of the play field as it came down.

Sooo, your saying TWD was fixed, but you dont appear to give that benefit to Hieghway, on a just released game. Gotcha...

to Who???

You are just helping make the point that it was massively overpriced. The "Pro" of BM66 was listed at $8,599 MSRP. They can call it a Premium all day long, but it was a Pro.

Boy has this topic drifted.

Let's be real, the Premium is a very weakly featured Pro with a partially rehashed layout.

Wonder why the more heavily featured Aerosmith Pro with immenseley better art and stuff going on on the LCD is flying off the shelves and BM66 Premium is barely moving. $5.4k or $8k at US prices, and way more in other territories.

$8k is just as unrealistic for BM66 for most people as $15k is.

Doesn't happen on this video, probably just that particular prototype game.

Sorry but nothing about that turn table mech says "pro". Nor does the LCD

When it's done and fully implemented it will be one of the most impressive engineering feats on a pinball machine

Try and find a BM66SLE or LE for sale except for Gap or Automated. We like it and see what's coming with Lyman

The theme and artwork are fantastic

So is ASLE btw

As for a DICE, let's hear the justification for that one?

The fact is DEMAND for BM66 at $15k blows away a DICE at $12.5k of which a a handful might be actually delivered to the end user

Try to find an LE for sale, except for here and there. Not a real strong argument for BM66 being popular lol

It means its popular with the people that own it! Maybe not the jealous haters but i get that.

And yet its still in basically beta code.

Demand MUCH higher for that outrageously priced BM66SLE versus the outrageously priced DICE that JJP can't even decide what $12500 includes. lol

The BM66 Premium has all the gameplay features that the LE and SLE models have, if I'm not mistaken.
Pro models do not.
If the turntable was missing, or the lcd wasn't there, this is a different argument.

I'm not arguing as to whether I think the game is worth the price they're charging. Until Lyman gets serious code into it, in my opinion, it's not.
That said, it irks me when whiners complain that Batman costs $15k. There's not a single person on here would couldn't get a BM66 with all the play features for slightly more than half of the 15k quoted price.
It's like saying that since some mega-star has an iPhone covered in diamonds worth $1,000,000 that iPhones are now $1,000,000.
But hey, in typical Pinside fashion, if someone wants to make comments from the absolute most negative point of view available, why wouldn't they?

DERAILED!!!

So, this one time I read something about cabinets separating and splitting...

I think the cheerleaders' purpose was to derail this thread.

Why don't YOU tell us about your experience with splitting cabinets? You know, on any of the games that you've bought recently? You have lots to say on the subject. Any firsthand experience?
I already summarized the actual number of Pinsiders with legit problems. Was approx 24-30.
No issues seem to have been reported recently.

So maybe it's not the cheerleader derailing things on here, but the stone-thrower who furthers his own purpose (a reseller on pins, only one of which listed on his website is a newer Stern), by throwing jabs and trying to make this seem much worse than it really is?

See Post #1513. I explained my position in detail.

I've sold over 30 or so newer Sterns through LOP, which have been archived from the site. I'm over getting into pissing contests with people on here...thankfully. Cabinets are separating period. That has everything to do with Stern, and nothing with what I do in this hobby.

I love how you think everyone is jealous.

Just like me saying you are just defending your 10K purchase so you don't look foolish.

I, for one, am not jealous of anybody who paid 15k for bm66

Amen.

Cliff notes:

Stern has a bad batch of cabinets

JJP is making DI which will sell between 500-5000000000 games this year

Games cost to much

BM66 doesn't really suck, or does it?

People are really angry

I'm just wondering how many times has code bailed out a game? I know when I bought ST I passed on TWD. Then I got GOT, bypassing TWD again. Once I was sure I would never get TWD, I head about all the issues with GB and got TWD instead. I honestly don't think I'll ever part with it. My point is that code pretty much made TWD a complete pin from what I'm reading on Pinside.

I look at BM66 and DI and see 2 completely different situations. BM66 looks and feels really cheap to me and I stopped playing after a few games to go back to GB. I recently got to play DI and I am seriously thinking about getting one. That machine felt complete and the toys and playfield just felt like higher quality. The spinning props on the drones vs a toy batmobile sticks out, as does the cheap sticker on the BM66 fire button. I will be putting in some more time on BM66 this Saturday and hopefully will see another DI soon.

My friend who played it at PAGG specifically complained about that issue to me when I asked him what he thought of the game. Dunno if they only had one DI there or not, but it happened at the show. So no, it's not a bad setup or Canada-only feature, it happens.

Can we not apologize for bad design decisions? It was dumb on TWD, it was dumb that you had to hit the flipper buttons to pulse the magnets (did Lyman fix that?) and it's dumb on DI. Magnets that drop the ball down the middle suck. If it turns out Alien does the same thing or something I'll call that dumb too.

To sort of get this back on topic, these games are f**king expensive. I understand why pretty well, now that I've been behind the scenes on making a game especially, but that doesn't change the numbers.

When your game costs that much it can't be half assed. Paying $8k for a game and you don't even get the powder coat that a basic ass Stern Premium has? That's lame, and if you try and defend it I'll laugh at you.

$5k is a lot of freaking money still too! You should get a cabinet that doesn't fall apart.

You miss my grumpy rants?

That's your problem, the criticism is leveled to make people look foolish when the reality is total opposite.

You want to talk about pricing, It's all foolish

I'm not either but I'm not a hater either on how people want to spend their money

And the FACT is that they had overwhelming demand for that SLE and those people are happy with their pins and the limited production and features

Now, let's justify a DICE for $12,500 or a 2500 run non LE for $9500

Too many people get caught up in price

And nobody is holding a gun to anybody's head

You were saying for months, with absolutely no supporting evidence, that Stern had fixed everything with playfield issues last year ... every time new reports would flood in, you'd say that you'd been reliably informed that it had now been fixed and there would be no more.

I don't think anyone with any semblance of common sense believed a word you said, but some who hadn't followed closely may have been fooled.

You constantly tried to persuade people to place and keep orders for GB and other machines, assuring them that you knew everything was now fine. This went on for ages before you finally stopped. Plenty of people whose issues dated from that period, before, and after, are still waiting for resolution and replacement playfields.

There was only one DI at PAGG. Weird that it happened enough for him to complain about but never happened to me. I mean, I had some close calls, but I was always able to save them. Tilt was very forgiving on that machine.

FACTS in your head maybe?
FACTS come with cites... cites you can't make.
What you have is your IMPRESSION - not FACTS.

I miss people that actually know what they're talking about.

Guys, let's please try to steer this thread back towards the original topic. If you want to talk about how much you love or hate BM66 and DI, there are other threads for that. Thanks!

They feel shoot sound and look like Data East pins.Especially the titles you mentioned

Agreed...sorry.

Has anybody that complained directly to Stern about a cabinet splitting had a response? I believe I only saw one post above where somebody said they were told they would be getting a new cabinet (but they were going to sell it and had no intention of swapping the cabs out).

I will put the thread back on track.

48 year old game, no cabinet cracks.
This game received its share of wear and tear.
Touch up painting was done by a former owner, but not too badly, except they forgot to mask the rails.

Cabinet has never required formal repair in its life.
Notice the specific plywood density and layer thickness.
Notice the similar joint structure.

I can go even further back in time, all the way to the 1940s, if there are questions on cabinet construction.
Quality of construction today has changed, even if some may not be aware, but I do not know why.

Pinball professional restoration TIP:

Use the right parts, the first time, for repairs.

Cabinet 1.jpg
Cabinet 2.jpg

Yep I'd like to know also. I read that Stern was going to send out reinforcement kits. Has anyone received one? And I really want to see some newer cabs and see if Stern has changed or improved their build.

Great now you tell us

Maybe to a lot of those people 15k is like a few hundred bucks to the rest of us?