Quoted from Aniraf:
Wouldn't it be awesome if we could get the exact same experience from a full sized machine for less than $1000 new? I personally believe it is possible, it is just going to take many different attempts.
Maybe you missed where this effort is nearly 2000 more than sterns last home game effort? It’s not heading in that direction...
Or that this is like their 4th attempt?
Quoted from Thunderbird:
SWHE looks like an awesome playing table with lots of features for a much more reasonable price point. Why all the complaining??? What’s good for Stern is good for this hobby. Stream yesterday showed a fun table with great coding at a street price point of only $3999, which will move thousands of tables, IMO. It’s a winner in anyone’s book. Stern still makes more complex tables for Pinsiders, so no worries. Just enjoy the new ride!
I sure hope you took a huge hit off the sarcasm crack pipe before typing that.
Unlike some blowhards who think this is “all about why I wouldn’t buy this game”... the criticism isn’t from that. It’s based on the product not being priced well enough for its target market.
No one shown yet why they think this product will succeed at this price point verse the previous efforts.. even the most recent.
The Spider-Man pin didn’t fail due to its speaker location...
Stern added more to the game and potential made it more interesting... but at the same time boosted the biggest weakness of the game.. price.
It’s too expensive for a casual home purchase, and not differentiated itself enough to serve as an “entry product” for an enthusiast purchase. It’s stuck itself in a horrible no mans land.
Quoted from Reality_Studio:
My best guess is the combination of two things:
1) From what I saw on Deadflips stream, this one looks and plays very well unlike past "home" efforts, so it should still satisfy that pinball feel without feeling cheap.
2) It's priced to where they have left a good amount of meat on the bone for traditional brick and mortar stores like Best Buy, etc, to consider selling it.
Without a good margin it makes no sense for such stores to take up floor space with this kinda stuff, but given the msrp maybe this time around there is enough margin there for them to consider it. Combine that with a true pinball experience and maybe this will work this time around. Just a guess though.
Spiderman played well enough as a 'real' pin too.
We don't know what kind of margin and pricing flexibility they will have on these things so that seems up in the air until we see some retailers posting prices.
I don't see this as much different from stores selling appliances or how stores like Sears sold pool tables, etc. You put one on the floor, and the rest you pull from the warehouse or ship to home. The integration between online and B&M stores actually helps this model more now than it did 10+ years ago. Ship to home is common place.
Would it blow people away if a home edition was the first Stern to get online features?
Quoted from DS_Nadine:
First that is just an example link since most of the prices aren't "open".
Second that thing is supposed to be a "Sharp" display, wich is a Japanese Company but (as all the rest) manufacture in China.
So if it is not fake (wich you could test with a smaller order) it shouldn't be junk.
But yes, you'd usually try to buy directly from the manufacturer. At least if the bulk you want is big enough.
While Stern is "big" as a pinball manufacturer it does not need nearly as many LCD for their machines as Apple, so the way to buy directly from the manufacturer isn't always possible because until certain numbers they woun't deal with you.
-> Whil I have some background, this is all mostly hypothetical! Noone here really knows what Sterns expenses are and how many machines they sell.
You don't cheap out on your supply chain.. because the last thing you want is to stop your production because someone decided to buy from some flybynight with no guarantees of availability, lifecycle, volumes, etc. You buy 3,000 parts for a game x # of games... and then risk getting stuck where none of them can be converted to shipping goods unless all 3,000 are in hand. And not just once.. but every time you reorder.. and not just today, but for the intended production lifecycle, etc.
Quoted from DS_Nadine:
What is so hard to understand on the word "example" and how is getting the best price of a well known manufacturer for a product you usually do a contract wich includes failure rates "cheapening out"?
Because the Chinese dumping grounds are not a great place to take a sample of what commercially reliable and guaranteed lifecycle products are...
Quoted from j_m_:
agreed. the problem isn't china, it's the companies that produce goods with parts where the specs just good enough to pass their testing but keep the bottom line down
The point wasn't about where the parts are made.. but the marketplace and vendors being cited. It's like using ebay as your source for setting up your supply chain and business plan.
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