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STERN WPT Reset problems

By jewboyflowerhead

11 years ago


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#15 10 years ago

Bumping this older thread. Having an intermittent reset on the WPT I just bought. Reseating connectors didn't help. At first I thought it was happening during multiball but now I've had 2 resets with no ball in play at all. Once it did it right after I hit the game start button.

#16 10 years ago

Anyone? Wondering if the OP ever fixed his.

#18 10 years ago
Quoted from jewboyflowerhead:

Sorry miknan, I tried to respond to your pm but it said the pm had been deleted already. My problem is solved, but i dont think it is a typical solution. During coil test mode, I noticed the pf display would slightly flicker every time the left drop targets coil would reset. I changed the coil and haven't had a problem since. I had disconnected that coil and tested prior. The coil tested and functioned ok

Thanks for getting back to me. My game plays perfectly until this randomly happens. Haven't had it long enough yet to really play around with it or notice any consistency in the resets. Been busy at work the past few days so hopefully I can figure it out next week. I'm hoping its the older card that Stern will replace but I doubt I'll be that lucky.

#21 10 years ago

You can see the jumper wire on the top of the board? Would someone mind taking a pic?

#24 10 years ago

Thank you VERY much for the pictures. I'll double check when I get home but pretty sure I have a blue wire going from that chip. But I don't remember seeing the second wire. I'm betting I have the updated card but will look further into it next week. Thanks again.

#27 10 years ago

Very strange, I only have the one wire on the bottom. What else could cause these resets if I have the updated board?

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#29 10 years ago

Is there anything worse than getting a new game (and paying a high price) then can't even frigging play it because it resets? I'm pretty sure it's not an older board and unlike my JD there is so little info out there I'm not sure where to start nor do I feels like ripping into this machine, as I'm not that good with it.

There's no consistency in the resets that I can tell. Sometimes there's a ball in play other times there isn't. Haven't been able to determine if it does that when all the targets reset at once.

#31 10 years ago

One of the springs is missing from a drop target. There isn't anyway that switch not working could cause this could it?

#32 10 years ago

Newest version/code? Mine says this. Does anyone know if that's the latest code?

V14.0
Sys 1.38
HDW 1

#34 10 years ago

I found a drop target not working. Turned out the spring broke. This led to me maybe finding the problem. After playing around with the lower left drop target assembly that had the target with the missing spring, I decided to play a game. Strangely, that drop target assembly never popped up when the game started. I played many games with all those targets down and not once did it rest. After, I tried a coil test and I didn't expect it to work but it did and they all popped up but the game immediately reset. Every coil test there reset the game every time. I started looking closer and the connector there seems like it doesn't fit on that tight. Is that normal or a problem? Also, the first wire there ( a green and brown one) is very loose and I don't think making a connection anymore. I tried to find out what this connector and wire actually did but can't find it on the schematics. Does this sound like it for sure is the problem? What troubles me a little is that I ran this coil test earlier and it didn't do that but I'm thinking that wire wasn't as loose then as it is now. Oh, I found the broken spring on the bottom of the cabinet. I don't think that spring and drop target had anything to do with the resets but luckily may have pointed me in the right direction.

#36 10 years ago

Here it is. It's actually the connector to the the lower left drop target assembly. A friend better at doing connectors than me (and has a 10 pin idc connector I can have) is going to come over Friday. I'll post if this fixes it in case some other person runs into this problem.

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#37 10 years ago

After looking and looking through the booklet, I finally found that schematic. It's actually a 9 pin connector in the playfield harness and that wire is suppose to be green-orange but looks brown to me. It goes to CPU/SND J1-P4. I'm excited I found the problem. Couple questions about the idc connector, how tight do they have to be on the header pins? Most you have to pull fairly hard to get off. This one a small amount of pressure and it kind of slides on the header pins although it doesn't come off. Also, prob a dumb question, but what do key pins do? Can't you just skip that pin?

Further investigation says this green/orange wire goes to the "Switch strobes". What's that? Lights? Maybe this isn't the rest problem after all.

#38 10 years ago

Ok, I'm just kind of putting my thoughts down, sorry if I'm rambling. I've only had pins for a year so I'm still learning. The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think that loose green-orange wire isn't the reset problem. Probably the reason the targets don't reset upon start up but running the coil test they all will pop up but then it resets. Should I be looking at that coil?

#42 10 years ago

Chris, do you think it could be that whole 9 pin connector? It doesn't fit snugly on the header pins. Yesterday the lower drop target coil test caused the machine to reset every time. This morning I fiddled around with it and the machine didn't reset. There is a 5v connection on this connector. Or do you think I'm likely barking up the wrong tree?

#43 10 years ago
Quoted from phishrace:

Targets not resetting at the start of the game would indicate that the switches (optos) for those targets aren't working. Once you get the connector squared away, manually reset all drop target banks, then run switch test and knock down each drop target with a finger while watching the display. Usually all or none in a bank will work, unless you have a single opto pair out, which is rare. All 4 drop target opto boards are the same part number, so you can move them around to see if you have a wiring or hardware issue.
For some reason, the IDC connectors for Stern drop targets need to be especially tight. Even a little loose will make them not work. Saw this on an AVE recently and I don't think they use the same board as WPT. If you can see any gap at all, they may not work.

Thanks. When I fix this connector I'll try this if I keep having problems.

#44 10 years ago

Don't know 100% because it was an intermittent problem but changed this connector and so far no resets and the game plays beautiful.

1 week later
#45 10 years ago

Damnit... Thought it was fixed but it rest twice now in the past week. I played a lot of games and it's only happened twice and no pattern that I see. It's waaaaayyyyy better than before so you'd think that connector had something to do with it but I'm at a loss now where to start.

#46 10 years ago

I'm really hoping somebody has an idea what I should try next. It only resets once when in a great while when the lower left drop targets reset. The targets themselves do pop up but then the game resets. I checked all the fuse holders and they seem like they are fine and fuses themselves snug.

On the CPU board J11 pin 1= 5.08 V, pins 3 and 6 = 13.8 v ( one was negative volts)
On the driver board J16 I got the 5.08v and 13.8v. At J10, I got 27.4 vac and the 50v pins read 77v. I was surprised that was so high but I read somewhere that it should be that?

I wanted to look at and measure some voltages on the optos but I'm not sure where they are. I looked around but I'm just not sure. I'm obviously new to this hobby. I'm guessing I should replace the coil for those targets? With all the wires around it it doesn't look like it would be easy for me. I have read they are associated with Q5. Should I replace that too? Can it be tested? Where is it exactly?

I once again reseated the connector I replaced already. It's a nice tight connection but should I have replaced those header pins too? It hadn't reset since I reseated the connector but it's so intermittent that could be just a coincidence. Thanks for any help.

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#48 9 years ago

Well, after a month of solid play it finally reset. Didn't notice what precipitated it but I'm assuming those left lower targets. After running through the coil test it never reset but I notice the pf display flicker around where it set "Stern". Sounds like the exact same problem. Guess I'll try replacing that coil also. Sounds like two WPTs doing the same thing. Has anyone else had this happen?

#50 9 years ago

Coz6, this fixed your issue or you are going to try it? I'm not even sure what you're talking about. I'll have to research that.

#53 9 years ago

I haven't replaced the coil yet. Replacing that connector helped a ton so I'm still wondering if it's connector related. I think I may need to change the header pins but a new coil will be my next thing if it isn't fixed. If that doesn't work I'll try the Nvram. Been busy and haven't had a chance to work on it but my daughter tells me it hasn't reset lately. I hate intermittent problems. When/if I ever fix it I'll report on here in case anyone else ever runs into this. Thx for the replies.

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