I signed it when I cancelled my STLE....

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Any updates on Xmen, ACDC, Met code release dates???

I wouldn't expect any updates anytime soon if at all, its just a "business decision" by Stern, Ops and the casual player don't care and the HUO market is not big enough for him to really care.

Only motivation is to get 2 1/2 pins out per year, licensed ones, that the "Euro's will write the 300k checks up front".

The solution for the HUO guy is just to wait and see if they ever get done like Ac/dc or buy and just be prepared to be frustrated.

He can't even get around to putting a $2 headphone jack into the pin because it just doesn't fit into the "go out into the bars, have some drinks and play pinball" mentality, nothing wrong with that, but that is where the sales are apparently.

Getting worked up over code and the pinside outrage over it simply falls on deaf ears.

Code is coming soon !!!

I'm not so sure about this. I think Stern's HUO market is a large portion of their business. I'd be willing to bet its growing and at least 40 % of overall sales if not more

He stated that the commercial market was about 20% in the US, but that it accounted for nearly most of the overseas market. If overseas is 50% of their business, then that would leave the home market as about 40% of the overall market. Of course he said they don't release numbers so people won't try to calculate details of their business.

Why thumbs down this post? Ice was pretty much summing up exactly what Gary said in yesterday's seminar, lol. It's not Ice's fault, don't shoot the messenger!

And while I highly suspect that at LEAST an XM update is in the works, and I would expect MET as well, there's no "expected release date". It will be out when it's ready. I'm fine with them taking as much time as they have to finish code updates, as long as they're working on it.

But yeah, the way Gary talked about software at the seminar was NOT comforting to the home market, lol

Exactly, don't shoot the messenger! It was a little disappointing to hear but hey, if the HUO market is really 40% then maybe there is some hope.

I thought Steve R. said that XM is not likely to happen when he spoke in Houston earlier in the month, MET should be a guarantee, hopefully soon, if they finish it I'm probably in for that one!

its like ICE and I were listening to a different speech...

I just keep hearing its coming soon. When who knows.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic; but both of these aren't done either.

But we are almost done and communicate so. And chad can call my cell to talk code

Low blow Pinchroma...we don't need no stinkin' communications...

Stern's apparent lack of concern for the home market is going to bite them in the a$$. About 400 Pinsider's own a Metallica. That's a big number of home use games just on Pinside. Sadly, they will probably blame the down turn on too much competition, rather than realizing their own failings at communication and updates.

To me the point is moot, for 8K+ the game is finished.
IMO all of them are playing us like a bunch of saps seeing who can bend us over the furthest while laughing all the way to the bank.
If you listen you can hear the sound of one hand clapping way off in the distance.

This.

I don't know why anyone would give JJP a pass on code any more than Stern if they have actually parted with cash and are unhappy with WoZ code at this point. Yeah theres the whole "its their first game", but then why not cut Stern slack because "well, they release so many games"? There's no denying Stern machines are actually playing well (even Avengers imo) and have some nice features lately... to me if we cut JJP slack on code because they are new, we cut Stern slack because they have too many great machines out.

Frankly, I don't cut either of them slack. Metallica will be the last time I buy a machine in a state I deem 'incomplete'. The next machine I buy, whether it be ST, The Hobbit, or whatever pops up next, will be complete to a point I'm content with before I pull the trigger.

Something I can agree with!

The difference is that JJP admits their code is not done. They have modes that have not yet been added and have promised to keep working on it until its finished.
Stern just sells you a game that has most modes but not all of the modes are complete or smoothly integrated. And they promise nothing after they have sold out the games. Some people here get rumors of updated code coming from various people at Stern but none of the information is consistent from one employee to the next.

Stern burned me for the last time with the code on Xmen LE. I thought they would not do it again after all the heat they got on Transformers. I'm done with them. Any future games will be PPS remakes or JJP. Or maybe some of the older games I never had like CFTBL, TSPP etc.

I wish astern would open source their code and assembly software. Many of us could fix these coding issues ourselves and share them with the community.

Yes, when is the code going to be complete. How do you get "community chest"?

Lol its a lot more then $2 in parts.