Actually people from this thread should wear shirts that say something to the effect of abandoned Star Trek owner, Star Trek update still waiting 18 months later. Woz bug fixed 18 hours later.

Unfortunately, that's meaningless since he has no control over dedicating the necessary programming resources to get it done and released.

I'm sure he wants it done like the rest of us, but saying it's going to be done without providing any more detail is not much more than what Stern has said publically.

Maybe, but in the conversations I've had over the years with him, I've always come away with the sense that he wouldn't say it if he didn't mean it for sure. I'd be fairly confident that with what he knew at the time, the collective Stern thought was to finish it. I'm guessing that hasn't changed. The fact that there are so many bugs in the current software, might be the reason behind the long delay. And, for all we know, Paramount and/or CBS might have to approve the code change.

Maybe some of that is true and maybe not.
Who the hell knows?
And there in lies the problem.

i'll bet anything in the past 3 months nobody touched the star trek code.

they will say anything to shut us up... ''yeah, we are working on the code'' ''it will be done''
oh wait the code is broken! and later, ''yeah we are working on it'' pfffffff.

Likely 98% true. TWD and WWE. Since waison is on WWE maybe ST stands a change of not coming out like xmen. Sorry wwe peoples lol.

I've said this before - but they're not taking advantage of the SAM system - USB updates. Waiting for a big update made sense in the old days if you had to burn a ROM every time...but that's not the case anymore....I don't know why Stern is against "trickle" updates. Sure there's lots of stuff to fix....but code the Prem/LE flashers, and release that as an update. Then when the bugs are fixed release that as an update. Then when you make some gameplay tweaks, release that as an update.

Small updates every so often will squash this psychology of abandonment, make customers happy and keep us from badgering Stern about this stuff.

they used to all the time and that was back in the DARK days. Take a look at Like ij4 24 or csi updates readme. Some updates where weekly even daily. WTF happened you got me.

You got that right. Couldon't agree more. Their PR definitely needs work.

That makes far to much sense for Stern.
Common sense is not always on full throttle over there.

It is not meaningless. Ritchie has the scoop on what's going inside at Stern. If development on Star Trek had been cut off my management, do you think he's be running saying there's going to be an update?

Common sense.

Agreed.

He has pride because it's his game...but he can't make the programmers or management do anything.

You should re-read what I posted.

I am sure the code will come someday. But STLE is the last NIB Stern I buy for a long time. I've bought 5 new machines in the last 2.5 years and have waited awhile for code updates on Metallica and STLE. I was fortunate that AC/DC, TFLE, & IM were pretty much complete when I bought them.

I read what you wrote...but I know Steve and I know Stern.

I hope it works out...but hope didn't get me working flashers within a year's time - good luck to yas.

I wasn't claiming Ritchie has control over programmers or management. I said he already KNOWS whether or not any more updates are going to be done, and he wouldn't be going around saying it's coming if it's not. He would look like a fool, and Ritchie is NO FOOL.

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Until Gary cancels them one day to work on "more pressing matters." Possibility?

Or Steve leaves....AGAIN because of Gary AGAIN! Surprised he even works there now really. That was a huge shit storm when he left in the middle of HIS avatar design.

Fair enough. I almost quit stern after Avatar also *rimshot*

So here it is again. I have made shirts so people can wear at shows. Shirts that don't conflict with any copyright. Shirts that will get your point across a lot more than talking to Gary or anyone at Stern. These guys have been around this circus before and can brush off pretty much anything you say. They are there to sell pinballs and that's that. What they can't control is you wearing a shirt that asks a question specifically targeted to them. Other potential buyers that know nothing of this will ask you guys a question about your shirt and then it will be your turn to voice your own opinion (Stern cannot control that)

(with all these posts and comments on a few threads counting up to almost 2200 posts. We've sold 8 shirts. Do yourself a favour, buy a shirts (knwo that the profits go to charity), go to the event and play some pinball

http://teespring.com/new-wheresthecode

Pinside seems to have turned into one whining thread after another buy bally/williams and quite whining

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I think your "whining" about the whinners is more pathetic. Do you just skim through the forum and pick hot threads with mild debates just to crap in them? No need to respond, I won't see it.

Honestly Ball Williams shit is boring now and looks uber dated. I have not had the desire to touch anything of theirs in almost 15 years. I played the fark out of those game on route and only a handful like bsd or wh20 are worth owning.

There was....but they seem to have a decent working relationship now. Ritchie is a Stern employee now (he was an independent contractor before) and he says things now like "we're Stern" when he talks at shows.

He supposedly meet with Jack who wanted him to come to JJP, but choose to go back to Stern.

I don't think that's true actually, but I guess we'll find out. Here's hoping.

I own a ST and like it very much I wanted to see what people thought needed to be changed. As usual all I find is a bunch of old women go whine whine whine

When did he say this?

In Stern's defense, maybe it is easier to support games with fewer updates. If there were a bunch of small updates, then each update could potentially have different issues. Each update needs development and testing time so maybe it's more efficient to do one big update. I don't know. It does seem silly to leave customers upset over something that can probably be fixed in a short amount of time. All software gets regular updates these days so it's standard practice.

Ductch Expo in November.

Skip to 16:00 mark.

Boom.
And Captain Kirk drops the mic as he walks off stage.

Meaningless. Nothing is proven until the code is released and it's not the slopfest it currently is.

Rob

Its waison he fubared it on Xmen and he fubared it on ST now he will fubar it on WWE. Glad steve said that

Not meaningless.

I'm feeling good vibes. Everyone take a deep breath.

Where are these vibes you speak of originating from? We will squash them immediately!!!!

Pfft. Go ahead and try. You'll simply tire yourself out and in your weakened state be more susceptible to my positive influence!

I was simply referring to the point where Kirk proved his point.
Not that what Steve said was gospel.

He didn't prove anything most of us already don't know. Of course we know there is another update Steve said is coming, but we have no idea the quality of said update until it is released. At least the emphasis on this next one appears more directed to fixing the game than slapping minor features on an already broken codebase. Galactic Away Team is a half assed feature IMHO because it works only on tier 1 missions. It needs to do something on the other mission tiers as well, not just change the shot map which is not very interesting. As an owner I have my own wishlist of things I would like to see fixed and yes I will be disappointed if that doesn't get done. We can only wait and see what Stern delivers to us.

Rob

Many were ripping Lonnie as the guy responsible for the state of the current ST code. I just hope they review the code top to bottom this time, fix the bugs and clean up what's there. They have a lot of good feedback to go on in the bugs thread.

Rob

Just before 40 min, he mentions he doesnt own any games but he wants a STLE, but to his credit, he states "I want the code to be better first.."

Rob. You are really not understanding me.
I just found it funny. (The video proof of the date)
I guess you do not.

Nah, those things don't go off around me.

Stern code updates is not 'funny' business.

Rob