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Stern Trident power/connector issues ?

By Nihonmasa

3 years ago


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#7 3 years ago
Quoted from Nihonmasa:

ok guys, many thanks for your feedbacks.
I've been working a bit on this, I got a Bally Star Trek tested all boards (MPU and Power driver) => they work just fine.
So the issue is 100% in the cabling.
It seems to be located on the Rectifier board, J3 connector.
What seems awkward to me, according to my findings:
J3/8 goes to Power Driver Board J1/12 According to diagram should be reg +5; what I see written where it is plugged on the new PD board is +13.5 unreg => seems wrong
J3/9 => PDB J1/5 According to diagram should be relay; what I see written where it is plugged on the new PD board is Q15 => seems wrong
J3/13 is fully missing; should be Sol Bus. Where should I pull a wire?
J3/15 => PDB J1/21 According to diagram should be reg +5; what I see written where it is plugged on the new PD board is GND => seems wrong
J3/16 => PDB J1/22 According to diagram should be reg 175 filt. ret; what I see written where it is plugged on the new PD board is GND => seems wrong
J3/17 => PDB J1/10 According to diagram should be reg +5 Filt. ret; what I see written where it is plugged on the new PD board is Trnsfrmr GND => seems wrong
J3/18 => PDB J1/3 According to diagram should be reg 175 filt. ret; what I see written where it is plugged on the new PD board is Trnsfrmr GND => seems ok
J3/19 => PDB J1/23 According to diagram should be Sol ret bus; what I see written where it is plugged on the new PD board is SOL GND => seems ok
J3/20 => PDB J1/24 According to diagram should be reg 175 filt. ret; what I see written where it is plugged on the new PD board is SOL GND => seems ok
Would anyone have a wiring map for the PDB J3 connector?
Below is the image of the connector on the new boards with the info written.
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Trident SDB schematic

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#9 3 years ago

J1 is shown somewhat on there for pins 2,3,5,8,9

Other shots if you need

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#11 3 years ago

A1 = Insert (back glass panel)
A2 = Transformer (rectifier board)
A3 = SDB
A4 = MPU
A5 = Lamp driver

Hope that helps figure out what wires go from SDB connector J3. Bally and Stern solenoid driver boards should be interchangeable.

#12 3 years ago

Other wire maps

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#17 3 years ago

if your wiring is correct, have you re-pinned the connectors? That may be the issue.

Or check wire continuity for an internal break.

#19 3 years ago
Quoted from Nihonmasa:

Yep connectors are new, internal break is unlikely as I checked on the pin arriving on the boards and cause the Altek MPU is warning of an overvoltage.
I'll have to once again recheck every single connections going to / from the MPU.
Getting tired with this Trident; first time I have so much troubles with an old Stern.

Can you try a different transformer board from another Stern game to rule out the rectifier?

Or a different SDB?

If you’re getting too high a voltage it’s one of those two boards. Unless your transformer is tapped to the wrong voltage.

#22 3 years ago
Quoted from Nihonmasa:

Ok, tried with a different brand rectifier board and a brand new SDB from Alltek => exact same issue.
Will have to spend some time checking all the wiring it seems, wouhou...
On the CPU I have those values: TP1 @ 4,9 V, TP4 @0V, TP6 @ 22V

You'll get there! Don't know about Alltek test points but usual MPU board:
TP1 = +4.9 to 5.2 vdc
TP2 = +12 to 14 vdc
TP3 = +21.5 vdc (comes from +43 vdc solenoid voltage).
TP4 = Ground
TP5 = +4.9 to 5.2 vdc

What voltages do you have on other boards?

Rectifier Power Supply Board:
TP1 = +5.4 vdc (AS2518-18 version), +6.5 vdc (AS2518-49 & -54 versions) feature lamps.
TP2 = +230 vdc (score displays) with connector J3 attached, 150 vdc with J3 disconnected.
TP3 = +13 to 16.5 vdc with connector J3 disconnect, +12 to 14 vdc with J3 connected.
TP4 = 5.7 to 7.3 volts AC (general illumination)
TP5 = +43 vdc (solenoid voltage)
GND = Ground

Solenoid Driver/Voltage Regulator board:
TP1 = +4.9 to 5.2 vdc
TP2 = +190 vdc
TP3 = +4.9 to 5.2 vdc
TP4 = +230 vdc
TP5 = +12 vdc to 16.5 vdc

Lamp Driver board:
TP1 = +4.9 to 5.2 vdc
TP2 = Ground

#28 3 years ago
Quoted from Nihonmasa:

So, I just tested the ALLtek MPU in a Bally Star Trek => works just fine. TP4 is at 4.9V.
So the issue is unfortunately elsewhere.
I'l ltry to recheck all the wiring going to J4.
Getting tired with this trident... XD

At least the Alltek isn’t pooched.

Tracing each connector wire systematically. Check them off from posts #9 and #12.

Maybe as suggested move the entire transformer and board to another pin. Move the SDB... if those are ok it’s the wiring.

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