I wish Stern had let you stream the LE/Prem before it went to CES, would have cleared a lot up that's for sure.

Your stream should give the most accurate representation of how it will look I am hoping, so I am looking forward to that !

Wanted - technology to display various images at a distance of two feet (short throw) and a size of 5x7 inches (small) in a lit environment (bright).

Solution - anything other than a projector because that won’t work well. Stern’s deciding on a projector mapping technology in a pinball machine was a poor one and destined to fail from the start, yet they stayed with this approach.

How dare you show us the projector working well. We all suspected a company that’s tripled in size over the past 5 years to be blind and oblivious to their products. Not to actually put out a well designed product.Get the pitch forks boys!!

That's my worry. Stern typically doesn't add a lot of code to their premium / LE features.

Man.. the Ecto goggles were the biggest "premium feature" let down ever. What a waste.

What's cool about that quick video is we see lighting effects above the building being projected. I hope a lot of unique animations like that are added.

Is there anything besides on the drop target and billboard yet?

not sure the ramps have a hope really... the drops and displays are at least perpendicular to the play-field... which is already sloped "down hill" relative to overhead lights.. so self shade a little bit. The ramps though are angled such that they will be picking up significant overhead light no matter what. Definitively have to cater the space to the pin for optimum effect. Some modder should start selling retractable awnings for the game

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It hasn't even been released!

WTAF

Coming soon from Scott: “Pinshadeiums”

Magnetic ramp canopies that enhance the projector effect on the ramps. $299.

What do you think about the projector image Jack? Does it look good in person?

Thanks

that's what is indeed interesting...all those people that have seen it in person..and not a single comment for or against...

Underrated comment...

Look, he photoshopped the craters right out of the playfield!! /s

Here's some video I took of the projector when they had the game on the CNET stage. Seems like some people are expecting the image to be OLED 4k HDTV quality. LOL It's a projector. Temper expectations accordingly. I personally am glad Stern is doing something out of the box. The game shoots great too. Patiently waiting to see where the code takes it...

I know it’s not programmed to project to the ramps yet, but i don’t see how those ramps are going to look anything other than washed-out white under most conditions. The ramp strips are going to be reflecting (absorbing?) any ambient/overhead light due to the horizontal angle. The vertical white elements (screen, drops, etc.) will probably fare better.

When I went in and talked to my distributor about my playfields I got a speech about how well Stern is doing and they cant keep up with demand and pooling is normal... I walked away feeling great that Stern doesnt need me as a customer anymore.

being sincere when I say this. the fact you can see anything on that screen at that distance with that amount of ambient light is a good thing to me. projection becomes exponentially better once the lights start to dim. you said it best "its a projector", but equally important, its a projector for a reason.

Sounds like you are imperviable to Jedi mind tricks. Nice!

The most powerful projectors on the planet are all the idiots here projecting their opinions of a product they haven’t even seen!

Dimpling... I’m out
Pooling... I’m out
Cabinet split... I’m out
Ghosting... I’m out
Cratering... I’m out
Projector brightness... I’m out.

Oh Pinside Bash Brigade, you were always out, you’re just looking for the latest reason!

I’m not sure if I’m in or out. I might wait until I play it myself. I could be in on a Premium down the road... Stranger Things have happened.

As you were.

GTFO with that levelheaded reasoning. Canadians, can’t take ‘em anywhere.

When it comes down to it... why would you?! Too much of a liability!

What’s encouraging is the shadow of Zach on the back wall. That must be some strong stage lighting. And the angle looks to be almost directly facing the STh screen. It is impressive you can see anything on that projector screen.

Somewhere, Lonnie is on a beach sipping a Mai Tai reading Pinside relieved the current debate and discussion is about the projector, and not the code lol

Lol, you may be right there.

Don’t worry Kpg, the discussion will soon turn to Lonnie and code

It’s called “Stern derangement syndrome”

When I talked to a Stern employee about STLE’s LE features (asteroid flashers) not being coded 8 months after release, he basically said “Who cares?! 99% of our buyers don’t even notice those things...we’ve got your money already!!!!”

Not sure why they add an extra features to LEs then if they think their customers don’t even care if the features work or not.

Anyway - that was the last new Stern I bought.

OK, this is what he basically said, now will you tell us what he actually said? haha.

I mean...I could go dig up the text from 5 years ago...lol

Remember when the left lock was to kick the ball around the Warp ramp..

if i'm not a Lonnie big fan (for always making "similar" codes), his last pins are still casual, but in fact they're good & fun to play (and complete !!!), that's all we need

anyway, for m next pin, i'm still looking for a JP...

A JP? Smart man you are.

I'm really not worried about Lonnie, this is Lonnie, Mike V. and Eddy together on rules.

Well, I guess we all get to see next week. Cant wait to see this thing!, also, need to play the pro again this weekend. loved it.

Agreed. It's like a 3 headed demogorgan on code.

Kind of like that certain person who “derangement syndrome” is generally associated with, criticism does not equal derangement.

I just saw a video on Facebook of someone playing the Premium - but not for long as Gary came over and stopped them from filming. Think this must be a first. Not sure if this will work, but here’s the link:

https://www.facebook.com/DarrenAtCES/videos/2255106654629700/UzpfSTUxMjcxOTQ0MjIxNDg5NDoxNTg5OTcxMjQxMTU2Mzcw/

Looks good!! Note the person playing (not on their computer at home) said the projector is cool.

looks good? That was the worst one yet.

We don't have a choice. We can already see ramp dimples and PF craters with our naked eyes.

its gonna look good in a dark room. not so good in a well lit area. i kinda expected this.

Eeks the projector on that premium screen looks like crap under room lighting. STh premium is out in public at CES and subject to critique and observations. It sux. However, I enjoy playing the pro immensely and feel the rules are good as is. Adding more callouts and sounds and a few more rules will be icing on the cake.

I am having much success with the Demogorgon and can make the shot off the left flipper usually on the first attempt. Sometimes it takes a few more shots. I’ve started making them occasionally off the right flipper, too. The shot is a learned skill that you can improve with practice. I can complete the Demogorgon once a game and lately have been scoring two shots into the Demogorgon during the second mode 2 ball mb. A little more polish and the pro code will be done soon. Sounds like much more effort is required to code the projector.

I liked when Gary said "We want to show the game off professionally first" and the other guy replied "I thought you'd have done that already?"

LOL.. you'd think right? The marketing people kind of dropped the ball here. But it's all good. I have confidence the Dead Flip stream should answer a lot of questions and hopefully show that the projector is just fine.

I bet if the projector was looking awesome with a super bright picture Gary would not have a problem with people taking video. Seems like he is embarrassed knowing you can barely see it. Stern might have to break down and actually buy projectors that are brighter.

I hope this game is good as I preordered an LE just becouse I love the theme. I am not a stern guy at all

I expect it might be just fine in a dim room, but what did they expect? It's 2020. Everyone has a cell phone and wants to be a 'somebody' on the internet. If by 'professionally done' he means in a pitch black room, it's too late, they did that already and it won't impress anyone to do it again.

Haha, I still think that the projector can be great, but that was good.

It’s crazy to go to a trade show and expect people not to film or take photos.

Amen !!!!
I was thinking the same thing. I check to see about any updates. And whamo get opinions that one knows Anything about but boy they gotta let ya know. Geez people! Sorry I rarely chime in negatively but ........