Quoted from chuckwurt:

Not defending anything just trying to understand why some games are fine and others aren’t.
I don’t want sterns job, that’s all I got to say. Haha
I’ve been tweaking my game here and there since I got it. There’s no perfect way to do it. Some are fine, others aren’t. How can you possibly control for that? I have no clue. I can tell you this though it would be a lot harder controlling for variances on new stuff that hasn’t been done before than variances in flipper performance or ramp layouts that have been around for decades.
Of course I would rather not have to fiddle with my games all the time. But before I bought it I was well aware of the risks. Just part of pinball. Always will be. No matter what you buy and who you buy from.

Quoted from jandrea95:

You ok my man?

Quoted from chuckwurt:

Not defending anything just trying to understand why some games are fine and others aren’t.
I don’t want sterns job, that’s all I got to say. Haha
I’ve been tweaking my game here and there since I got it. There’s no perfect way to do it. Some are fine, others aren’t. How can you possibly control for that? I have no clue. I can tell you this though it would be a lot harder controlling for variances on new stuff that hasn’t been done before than variances in flipper performance or ramp layouts that have been around for decades.
Of course I would rather not have to fiddle with my games all the time. But before I bought it I was well aware of the risks. Just part of pinball. Always will be. No matter what you buy and who you buy from.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

It's one thing to have to do a few tweaks (that's pinball) but this game here has experienced people like yourself scratching their heads and searching for answers just to get their game to work correctly.
I do believe (hope) that eventually all of you guys get your games working correctly and I also believe that this could be a really good game. The problem is, Stern obviously didn't do their homework on testing this game and now they have just totally killed the hype of this game and it has literally already been forgotten about and people are looking to the next game already because they have already lost interest in this one.
Stern might be killing it but the thing is they could be killing it a hell of alot more if they didn't constantly keep shooting themselves in the foot by releasing games that have all of these problems. What I can't understand to save my life is how many times do they have to keep doing stupid shit before they realize that they need to get better?
It's a terrible idea to release a game with mechs that haven't been put through lots of testing, just like it's a bad idea to sell games with shitty playfields but yet they don't seem to ever learn. I just don't get it.

Quoted from Aurium:

Everyone pretends they know how to run a pinball company... Your assuming they didn't test these games? How do you know, some of these games take over a year to plan out. The games are all put together by hand, I'm ok with a few tweaks here and there. And any major issues I've had, Stern has come through and fixed for me (GB Playfield swap) . If you don't like taking the glass off maybe your in the wrong hobby.

Quoted from Extraballz:

More and more people are taking notice on Stern’s many issues IMO. Their army is shrinking.

Charge!

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I enjoy taking the glass off. What I dont enjoy though is being having 2 games right now that have shitty ass playfields in them that I spent 15K on. I also dont find it acceptable when a company puts out a game and the f*cking mechs dont work correctly and nobody can figure out why, not even Stern. You would have to be a complete idiot to find that acceptable. You don't know anything about me so don't tell me what hobbies that I should be into and which ones that I shouldnt. I'm a grown man and I will make those decisions myself.

Quoted from Aurium:

hhahah hit a nerve apparently... The glass off quote was not mean't directly at you but more for all the complainers on here, relax it will get sorted out... If you don't want a shitty pf don't buy anything new, pick up an older Bally / Williams game for half the price and you won't have to worry...
Also for all those pumping up Spooky for there PFs my Alice has more dimples on it than my Elvira This is in no way a diss on Spooky either as Alice is probably a top 5 game for me and a keeper, but the grass isn't greener

Quoted from delt31:

I hear you as it would be naive to think nothing would need to be addressed in the lifecycle of a machine but we’re talking brand new pinball games and the premier features of why people bought them over a pro. Whaaaaat? That’s what gets me. Some work and some don’t bc obviously stern can engineer it but can they spend enough time to ensure that works consistently and the answer is no. Why? BUY BUY BUY. It’s really getting to be much. Tweak a sling, fix a post but now I’m being forced to fix main features too? Nah cmon we deserve better.

Quoted from Aurium:

hhahah hit a nerve apparently... The glass off quote was not mean't directly at you but more for all the complainers on here, relax it will get sorted out... If you don't want a shitty pf don't buy anything new, pick up an older Bally / Williams game for half the price and you won't have to worry...
Also for all those pumping up Spooky for there PFs my Alice has more dimples on it than my Elvira This is in no way a diss on Spooky either as Alice is probably a top 5 game for me and a keeper, but the grass isn't greener

Quoted from iceman44:

There's a long line waiting for GNR.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Really you think so ice? I cant see that at all. That interest me about as much as WWE does.

Quoted from iceman44:

Me either, that's just what i'm hearing from distros, maybe its fake news? LOL
There are other themes i don't get either that people seem to love!

Quoted from noob-a-tron:

A rock band compared to pretend fighting mmmhhh. Here in Australia a lot want GNR but the price will scare most away. JP2 sold well here but that might be the line in the sand. I think Stranger things has been a huge flop here and i think pinball sales here are about to slide badly.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Well I bought AS so that's no better really so who knows. I think Jack has lost a good portion of his fan base after not taking care of his customers and I think its going to affect sales. Stern is in the same boat but they can afford to lose a few customers where JJP probably cant. It's going to be interesting.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Really you think so ice? I cant see that at all. That interest me about as much as WWE does.

Quoted from Rockytop:

I think GnR could be huge, but I am a huge fan, so I might be biased.
It's a fact that they are a massive worldwide band.Their recent tour was the #2 grossing of all time .

Quoted from iceman44:

I don't know how you Aussies keep paying those prices on every release.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I have heard rumors of Toy Story and I definitely think that could be a big game. That theme has a lot of possibilities and could really be cool looking if done right.
GNR will be an interesting to see how it is accepted. I hope they dont go with the new fat axle though.

Quoted from BigT:

Maybe that will be one of modes...you start with skinny Axle and have him progress through the buffet line.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Thats when you know that you have beaten the game.

Quoted from iceman44:

I don't know how you Aussies keep paying those prices on every release.

Quoted from Rockytop:

they are a massive worldwide band.

Quoted from usandthem:

Not having to worry about or pay for healthcare leaves more disposable income.

Quoted from delt31:

Let's see how much BS drfrightner can litter this thread with and still not address how he did a bait and switch on that TBL ad and then was too cheap to support this website.
Please - his word is as weak as his arguments.

Quoted from wrb1977:

So...I received a very long (shocking huh?) PM from the doctor and have some insight regarding his mishandling of his TBL ad. This post I am writing will be long but hopefully worth reading. I will not post his PM but can share the gist of it. I will say he does love his caps lock and exclamation points...good grief. So anyway, his reason for handling the TBL ad the way he did is that he just didn’t have time to respond to the 80 emails he received. In the spirit of the doctor...BULLSHIT!!! He doesn’t have time to respond to potential buyers of his TBL, but he has plenty of time to post very lengthy garbage about games he doesn’t have and in a lot of cases never plans on owning. Take this Stranger Things thread for example...he hates the pin, hates the show, but keeps spending time he supposedly doesn’t have knocking both. My favorite is his constant complaining about the “cheap” plastic “rails”?...I can only assume he’s talking about the ramps and habitrails. He’s gone on and on about the Pinside ranking of STh comparing it to some submarine visiting the Titanic or whatever to wanting to start a thread about a list of mods that will enhance a game he hates? So back to the TBL ad, he has plenty of time to do all of this but not the common decency or etiquette to respond to potential buyers through the PM system available here on Pinside. He then provides his personal email to communicate outside of Pinside. He clearly circumvented the Pinside ad process and was too cheap to upgrade his account and pay Pinside fees for the sale. He “used” Pinside, plain and simple. As @delt31 has said...classic bait and switch. I was not a buyer but honestly feel bad for those that were. I can only imagine how excited a Pinsider looking for this title felt when they first saw this ad shortly after it went up and thought they had a good shot at getting it. I know this feeling very well when you know you are probably the first to respond and will in turn have the first shot at it. But then, only to get ignored through PM, see the seller go dark in his own for sale thread, see the price go up, and then get the runaround with personal emails and all this other bs. I agree with the doctor that it his pin and can ask what he wants for it, but that is not what happened here. He listed it at an attractive price then didn’t honor that price and went with a behind the scenes auction. I’m sorry those interested went through this and I’m sure they will not forget who the seller was, nor will I, when it comes to future ads from him. As far as him not having time, well, he didn’t need much. Should have been as simple as responding to the first person that said they’ll take it at the full asking price. I know there was at least one Pinsider that offered full price with cash in hand and was going to pick it up. This wasn’t hard, that’s as easy as a transaction as you can get as a seller and it wasn’t honored. Hope this may help those that were shafted by the doc with his TBL ad. Finally, he supposedly doesn’t have time because of his business building attractions worldwide, but has posted over 700 times, which as long as each of his posts are probably equates to 7000 regular Pinsider posts. As for the doctor, I’ve thought about putting him on ignore in the past, but honestly, his posts are just priceless. It’s kind of like reading the tabloids while standing in a checkout line at a grocery store, just too good not to read and pure amusement.

Quoted from jandrea95:

Im no expert, but that dude legit seems unstable.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

It's one thing to have to do a few tweaks (that's pinball) but this game here has experienced people like yourself scratching their heads and searching for answers just to get their game to work correctly.
I do believe (hope) that eventually all of you guys get your games working correctly and I also believe that this could be a really good game. The problem is, Stern obviously didn't do their homework on testing this game and now they have just totally killed the hype of this game and it has literally already been forgotten about and people are looking to the next game already because they have already lost interest in this one.
Stern might be killing it but the thing is they could be killing it a hell of alot more if they didn't constantly keep shooting themselves in the foot by releasing games that have all of these problems. What I can't understand to save my life is how many times do they have to keep doing stupid shit before they realize that they need to get better?
It's a terrible idea to release a game with mechs that haven't been put through lots of testing, just like it's a bad idea to sell games with shitty playfields but yet they don't seem to ever learn. I just don't get it.

Quoted from Rob-T-800:

I hope so, stern and JJP seem to have a lot of playfield issues.

Quoted from Zablon:

Season 2 was definitely not as good as season 1, but I did think season 3 was much better.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I enjoy taking the glass off. What I dont enjoy though is being having 2 games right now that have shitty ass playfields in them that I spent 15K on. I also dont find it acceptable when a company puts out a game and the f*cking mechs dont work correctly and nobody can figure out why, not even Stern. You would have to be a complete idiot to find that acceptable. You don't know anything about me so don't tell me what hobbies that I should be into and which ones that I shouldnt. I'm a grown man and I will make those decisions myself.

Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Do you think if Stern had added season 3 material it would have had any impact on game play?

Quoted from Aurium:

Everyone pretends they know how to run a pinball company... Your assuming they didn't test these games?

Quoted from Rarehero:

If they tested them, we would know about them before announcement. They used to put out protos of new games at random arcade locations so they could see what works & what doesn’t, then revise and improve before release. They don’t do that anymore.

Quoted from Rarehero:

If they tested them, we would know about them before announcement. They used to put out protos of new games at random arcade locations so they could see what works & what doesn’t, then revise and improve before release. They don’t do that anymore.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

They can’t do that anymore. The streamers and YouTube clowns would descend on the location like locusts.

Quoted from Rockytop:

I don't think the ones coming off the line on a daily basis get played or tested as much as they should.
I think the overall game itself gets played and tested a bunch internally, but the individual games getting boxed need a little more attention in my opinion.

Quoted from vicjw66:

If they played or tested the games coming off the line, occasionally during testing there would be a dimple or two on the playfield. Imagine people getting their NIB and opening it up for the first time to see a few dimples on the playfield. Pinside would implode.

Quoted from vicjw66:

If they played or tested the games coming off the line, occasionally during testing there would be a dimple or two on the playfield. Imagine people getting their NIB and opening it up for the first time to see a few dimples on the playfield. Pinside would implode.

Quoted from iceman44:

Don’t buy a pinball machine if you don’t want to have to tweak it and fix it! Get it?

Quoted from Rockytop:

I don't think the ones coming off the line on a daily basis get played or tested as much as they should.
I think the overall game itself gets played and tested a bunch internally, but the individual games getting boxed need a little more attention in my opinion.

Quoted from Extraballz:

More and more people are taking notice on Stern’s many issues IMO. Their army is shrinking.

Quoted from iceman44:

Too many people roll right on past problem free JP and Elvira. Maybe a few little issues. But Pooling and chipping is NOT a thing 3 games ago
STH is having Demo issues. Sucks. Shit happens on an $8600 game. It doesn’t make me not want to buy it. Of course I’d rather it didn’t happen
Best thing to do is put nothing in a game and sell the theme and “personality”. Boom problem solved. Maybe that’s why they did that with Bricks. It was a genius move with that theme. It basically defines a large chunk of pinheads
The truth is that so many people that complain they are never buying these games again actually do and will. You can’t help it. I’ve said the same thing many times before as well. Don’t like STH pffft. Who cares. I don’t.
TMNT or some other theme people love by Stern will sell huge again. The numbers and facts just prove it year after year. They make fun games.
That’s why I buy pinball games, to play and have fun. With STH, that fun factor will include my family. “Boring”, it’s just the show! Just because it not a curse fest with crude humor Like Bricks does not make it boring. Lol
I’m a fan of Bricks too. Looks like fun. I won’t be buying TMNT either to own

Quoted from noob-a-tron:

I just want a decent Horror Theme horror was huge when i was a kid. Halloween Friday 13th Evil Dead. The kid in me was horror not Turtles or Stranger things whats next He man or She ra or My little pony.

Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Keep the glass on. Weren’t you on a crusade against buying new Sterns until they addressed last issues? What happened?