All the time. TFLE they removed a rotating cube. AC/DC they redid the mini pf clear. STLE they removed a warp vuk and added a slinger vuk + added apron double scoring lighting. GOTLE they found a problem with orbit shots and went back and.....uh....well.....they...ummm.......disabled a 2-way gate in the code in hopes no one would notice

Point is, they find problems or issues they want changed on full functioning prototypes all the time that seem great in CAD or white wood but don't work in a real machine. Company's used to put games on location for these testing purposes for this reason, like JJP did with DI. Stern moves too fast for that motto in order to keep production moving, so we have to trust in their engineers and design team that they'll get it right for production; Or we just let LE owners and early pro adopters be the guinnea pigs and testers...like we saw with the GOTLE orbit fix.

Bottom line is to not feel like you have to be one of the first owners. Even on LEs. It's a facade to believe that you won't be able to get an LE at a good price if you don't preorder. Over seas customers may be the exception to that rule.

I don't blame you on the button mashing game. Very few pins put the lockbar button to good use. And to be honest, these button mashing (tie fighter + multipliers) features raised a flag with me as a concern from the get go home environment but I wanted to keep silent til I play it. They look like fun intriguing features to be apart of, but when you're doing it for the umpteenth time, it seems more like work than pinball. I'll reserve final judgement til I play, but I'm with you - the button looks exhausting to use game after game.

No offense, but I think you just ruined the only good art on this pin.

EDIT: the last picture actually looks pretty good.

With the art on it, makes me think it's a plastic too.

Can you start hurry ups while in a mode?

Awesome. Thanks for the info. Sounds like another next level SR/DS rule set and those that dog it just don't understand so instead of learning they just trash it lol. Can't wait to try my luck on an LE; hoping I have a better experience than the pro.

That looks bad ass!

So who's gonna be first to stream the new code?

True. I was thinking something more personable though with the streamer talking and answering game questions as they play.

Im curious to hear more on the video mode especially as people play it more. Repetitive? challenging? too long? need more/less? My first impression is I think it looks sweet. It may be a little cheesy with todays technology, but what video mode in pinball is not cheesy And kudos for Dwight/Steve for implementing the first video mode into an LCD and taking a risk with it. It could have been worse, it could have been GOT 2.0 video mode

I could be wrong, but I believe verify (full or quick) verified the image on your usb stick. If you know you have the right file and it’s unzipped correctly, you can go no verify.

Full vs quick. Again, I could be wrong but I believe full is the entire code to date from start to finish; wipes everything and reinstalls the whole kaboose. Quick is just an import of any code releases not currently in your main database.

Anyone getting to light saber duel while on LSD wins at pinball period

Honestly, when you rush a game (and accessories for that matter) you get something like guardians. When you take you’re time, you get a game like Steve Ritchie and Dwight intended. I’m sure there’s a good reason for the delay.

I really like the progress Dwight has done with the code rules and LCD. Looking forward to seeing what comes with the next update. This game is definitely on my radar, but probably the pro because of the awful experiences I’ve had with an LE on location.

Nice game! How long did it last about?

Fixed:
- Greatly improved process stability. The game will no longer hold on to the
ball when it should not. Also the some of the mechanical devices will be
better behaved. Also the screen should no longer freeze during TIE Fighter
Assault.

Any owners chime in on if this change helps with stuck balls behind the fork ramp and maybe even improve the Death Star shot in some shape or form?

so who's gonna be the first person to stream the 1.0 code?

Don’t forget about the nut under the Death Star to adjust the wireform ramp which helps the Death Star shot.

I don’t have a SW so haven’t personally done it, but have read about it and know Steve Ritchie designs things like this in mind as he did with the Star Trek warp ramp. Basically, somewhere below or around the Death Star there is a spot where the wireform of the ramp attaches and secured with a nut. You can loosen the nut and adjust the wireform ramp up and down as needed then re tighten the nut which will give the ramp a more smooth entrance point. I’m sure you’ll have to play with it a few times to find the sweet spot for your machine.

What if they added a couple floating multipliers that could be grabbed during the video mode or maybe an X with up arrow next to it and if you can pick it up it increases your multiplier one step of what it is currently for the video mode. Maybe add an EB floating too? And hitting an asteroid should do more than restart the progress but maybe shed 1 second off the timer each time you hit an asteroid?

EDIT: oh and maybe an X icon with down arrow that decreases your multiplier too.

So now that it’s known that the hyperloop shot/wireform can be adjusted. How have prem/LE owners been doing making that shot and it taking? Do you still get rejects or is it easier/more successful shot when it counts the most?

This is how I felt about horde for the longest time and was actually one of the reasons I got rid of it. Fast forward, Lyman finally fixed this and gave these choices. Hopefully Dwight will do the same for LSD > hey that’s a cool acronym

Maiden has some cool spinner rules with the power feature and optional 2x spinner using the harder left one.

GOT’s spinner is actually pretty sweet; both in Baratheon mode and regular standard play. You can be having a good ball and the next thing you know you have a level 4 spinner and 3x, 4x, 5x playfield So you divert all attention to it. Good stuff.

As for the topic at hand. How is the code overall now and how have game times been for those that have made it deeper? I’m thinking it’s going to be similar to GOT as far as game times go, but probably a lot more brutal drain fest games comparatively (which I’d think is a good thing ).

Edit: I also remember TWD having some cool spinner rules. Nothing ground breaking or imbalanced but something more than a sound and super spinner mystery award

It’s weird; GOT can certainly have long game times, but after going through most the game and even Iron throne, it doesn’t feel like I’ve been playing as long as I really have. I guess that’s a good thing, although my wife doesn’t

Is destroying the death Star satisfying on the pro?

Decided to order a SW PRO today. Any interesting, fun, or must have mods? I’m not much of a modder but open to suggestions.

Always love TheLaw responses. Simple and to the point. I haven’t even gotten a shaker for my IMDN yet and that’s usually my go to mod but enjoying the game so much don’t think I even need it. How about Star Wars, shaker - yay or nay?

Thanks for the input guys. I do already have 2 external subs so covered there. I’ll be getting the stern spike 2 headset volume control - it’s a must in my household. I have a sheet of invisiglass lined up for this game too. And I have ninja balls on the way to replace sterns stock.

I was thinking of getting the mod that dresses up the mini lcd border. I’ll probably get a shaker too and do what TheLaw did and try it in SW then move it to IMDN if I don’t like it in SW.

Other than that, think I’m set unless there are any others. What about the star destroyer? I liked what I’ve seen in pics and seems to fit nicely, who sells that? And any thoughts or suggestions on adding the milineum falcon somewhere?

Is SW Spike 1 or 2 system?

EDIT: never mind. Looks like it’s Spike 2 per their online manual.

If I wasn’t excited about Getting SW before, I sure am now!

Hey all. Just got my SW PRO! Trying to update code, is there supposed to be 3 different .spk files and I put all 3 on the usb?

Sweet thanks! All updated, setup, and ready to go! Gonna eat some lunch and run it through some test games. This thing looks way better when....it’s NIB

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Here's my mini review and NIB SW Pro experience.

First, sterns got their shit down. I don't care what pinside says, the setup on my GOT, IMDN, & SW spike games have been EASY. Only issue I had was the left sling coil wouldn't fire - it was stuck, freed it up and all is good.

So I get the game setup, updated, and ready to play....and it's slow as F*ck!?!? I Got it at 6.9-7.0 deg and it feels floaty and slow. What's going on? Maybe my level is broken or something. So I pitch it up to 7.1-7.2 deg, slightly better but still slow. I thought this game is supposed to be fast right? Then it hit me; I just got a shipment of Ball Baron Ninja balls in. I cleaned them as instructed last night but have not played a single game with them in any of my games - currently have them in IMDN too but didn't get to play last night. So, I swap em out of SW and put the Marco standards back in. Holy shit its night & freakin' day! The ninja's are shiny as shit but I don't know what it is about them, but they don't play right. I'll be taking them out of IMDN too and sticking to the Marco's from now on.

OK; so now I can play this game how it's meant. Fast and furious and I love it! Don't know what the hell I was doing in my first 10 games but I stuck to the same method; play Luke, focus on Death Star or Hoth missions. After finally understanding what to do in the 3 Death Star missions I can say I am having a great time. This game is obviously about understanding the rules and what all the lights and symbols mean. There's these ice blue arrows that pop up all the time, and while I don't know wtf they do, when I started ignoring them I started progressing better through the game. Really having a good time and the game is fun. There is a lot to explore. That's all I got for now; but I did get a chance to destroy the Death Star and played the Hoth multiball too and got 100+ tie fighters all in the same game and that felt goooo-oood.

At first I was skeptical but this game is giving me a good rush. So far so good gents!

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No idea what I’m doing, I just picked Luke cause I like him and went for Death Star missions cause that’s his perk haha. I didn’t end up destroyjng the Death Star, only played its multiball so don’t know yet. Still waiting for my shaker and spike 2 headset to come from Pinball life, should be here any day.

When you got your ninja balls were they doused in oil? He said he ships them in oil now cause someone didn’t use theirs for over a year and they rusted. I have no doubt that the oil is causing the issue; he told me to wipe it off with an old cotton shirt, then roll them in isopropyl alcohol which I did, wiped it off with a cotton shirt, let them sit overnight and wiped down one more time. They look shiny as heck but they definitely roll differently.

So after Day 1 of SW, here's some just for fun Sh*ts and giggles audits.

Conclusion: This game is very underrated. Any real 'players' out there that don't like this game, I'd have to question their knowledge of the ruleset because the game, like GOT, is dependant on rules knowledge. I too didn't like it all that much on location but admittedly didn't know what the hell was going on or what each colored light represented.

As for multipliers vs GOT. I had 2 1/2 years on GOT vs 1 day on SW so to me, GOT is easier to keep track of and manage. I like how one of my pinsider friends put it; "SW multipliers is like driving a manual transmission". SW can get much more hectic and tougher to get the multiplier shot lined up in time. It's not as static as GOT. So for this, I can see it being a better, more fun multiplier system long term. We shall see!
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Agreed. I have mine turned off.

Can someone make this a key post? This thing is excellent! Thanks for sharing.

So I recently did a lineup shakedown and the 3 pins I currently have (IMDN, AFMr, SW) have all joined the household all within the last month or 2. It will be interesting to see how each fairs up in the long run. IMDN and AFM being the most popular amongst pinsiders; and SW being one of the most hated hahaha. I see how IMDN and AFM have that natural popular appeal to them (they are awesome); but man, SW has such an addictive personality to it - it’s like the chick that doesn’t show off her hotness, then you get her naked in bed and then wow! Hottest thing you ever laid eyes on

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I notice my left outer loop commonly has a pink arrow light; what's that represent? It seems to be a hyperspace hurry up, but I thought yellow arrows represented the hyperspace hurry?

Also, speakers seem to be somewhat muffled. I'll probably contact my distributor but is the sound quality on Star Wars have hit and miss moments that'll cause a muffle/crackle for a split second? I'll be getting the headset soon to tell for sure if it's the speakers or sound card or game itself.

Think I just answered my own question on the pink arrow. Noticed in attract mode that arrow is lighting up the wrong colors, looks like a bad light board.

Usually around 10-13. There’s times it sounds ok; and in the speaker test it sounds fine. But during gameplay, there’s call outs that just sound muffled and one Han Solo call out that’s louder than everything else that crackles. If I reduce the BASS way low it seems to help. Chas and Pat are aware so will see what they have to say. It’ll be nice when my headset control comes in so i can compare.

I should mention, it's not an obvious sound quality issue. Just very subtle.

Good idea. It does seem like it’s only a select amount of Audio files that sound weird. I’ll give it a try. Thanks.

Well. I guess that wasn’t such a good idea after all. Update unpack failed. Now game is dead Tried both USB ports. Gonna look for and/or buy another usb stick and try that.

It's all good. I was headed down this path anyways as it was in the back of my mind. The good news is Stern is sending me a new CPU. The bad news is it's my daughters b-day tomorrow and with lots of guests to entertain, it will be a downer to not have SW running.

That said, I don't entirely believe it's a CPU issue. I have 3 different USB sticks and have downloaded the update both via Chrome & Internet Explorer. No matter what USB stick I use, the update fails at 4377mb to the tee on the chrome download which is like 95% away from completion; and fails right away at around 300mb if I use the IE download. Im trying another download from chrome and will unpack it straight on the C: drive and see what my results are. Unfortunately, I don't have another computer to try from at the moment nor do I want to download another browser on my work pc. I am downloading the code via wifi, and I may try running a hardline to pull it.

If anyone has successfully done a full install with the latest code; or even an earlier code and wants to share it with me via dropbox or something, let me know and ill give that a shot.

I'm open to other ideas or suggestions.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I am back up!!!

the fact that the 3 usb sticks kept failing at 4377mb exactly on the google chrome download and 300mb on the IE download had me believing it was my pc, the way it was extracting the zip, and/or connection to stern server. Decided the 'ol reboot pc trick - rebooted; downloaded using chrome, then extracted the files directly onto the usb stick rather than extract then copy + paste to usb. This worked! You can imagine how sketchy I felt at the 4377mb point especially since it did hesitate for a split second at that point, then it went thru and complete...I about shit myself

Online and working in time for party tomorrow. Hard to tell if the sound quality is better/fixed but it seems that way, but it just might be my excitement for a working game. I'll know for sure tomorrow when I get the head set installed.

Thanks law; that’s weird about the file size. You’d think it would be the same size unpacked no matter what.

Just a quick update on the issues ive had. I don't believe I have a CPU problem. As @timerider mentioned, my original code/update could have had a corrupt sound file. After getting a better, what seemed more proper download of the code, my sound quality improved. Still didn't sound the greatest compared to my IMDN stock; but it was better.

I installed the Spike-2 headset today and OMG the sound quality with headphones is outstanding. The sound is in stereo (just like my IMDN), and it sounds amazing. I think the stock speakers just suck for this title even with external sub.

All in all; things are looking good. Just need to get a replacement light board for my left arrow which is no doubt displaying the wrong color; Chas is sending a new one my way Monday.

So my best score to date right now is 9.8 bil as Leia but I think I got like 2-3 eb’s (factory settings) . Last night, again as Leia with a couple eb’s, I was one mode completion away from Jedi MB; had the whole board lit and you’ll be surprised what I was missing...LSD! Played and failed to finish it 3 times and typically I knock that one out easily. I’ll probably back off on some of the factory eb’s later on, but having a blast so will leave it for now.

This is a fun, underrated, addicting game. Think I even like it more than GOT

Honestly, I'd wait on GOT. There's just too many bugs and one in particular that really ruins the game for me. That said; the hounds call outs and wall, hotk, iron throne multiballs are so satisfying and fun to play. GOT (pro) is probably the best flowing pin I've ever played, so satisfying to shoot. I just hope dwight can finish it someday; I love his unorthodox code.

Enlighten me on Leia’s Power. She gets +3X during planet multiballs. Does that mean if you’re at 20X multiplier, you’re actually at 23X? Or does it mean her minimum multiplier is +3X, hence she can get to 20X faster? Or does it mean something else?

It's confusing as F*ck! Lol. But I think that's what keeps me coming back. Lots to do; lots of breadth. My advice; do one mission at a time and focus on the same planet of missions til you learn them then move to the others. The rest of the rules like tie fighters, hyperspace, Boba Fett, FORCE, etc... will come in time. Learn what each colored light represents and what each hurry up sound effect is associated with. One thing I didn't know about missions before owning the pin is that there are hurryups associated with the missions that if you fail to hit you'll start over; so you can be stuck in a never ending loop on a mission if you don't know how to complete the hurryup. Good luck and congrats! I play SW more than IMDN and AFMrLE and all 3 are relatively new.

And regarding Leia +3X multiplier; I think I answered my own question tonight. As soon as you start the planet mb your multiplier jumps up +3X but maxes out at 20 just like everyone else. So it's a good boost initially but since getting to 20X is relatively easy in multiball, it's not game changing. Seems like each of the heroes perks are very subtle to keep balance. But R2's seems to be best with longer multiplier timer.

Emporor defeated!!!! Fuck this game! ...haha just messing it rocks. But yea, my balls need a break.

Well that break was short lived. Played a couple games of Maiden, a few AFM's, then back on Star Wars for 6-7 more games hahaha.

My thoughts on Jedi mb:

I’ve only been there once and I stunk it up cause I was trying to figure out what to do. So I did get to see the cool red and blue light show; but Next thing I know, I beat it!?!? I think I only made 3 or 4 successful shots and I defeated him? It was a cool sequence and I Love end game modes that end with dead flippers and a show >> i.e. LOTR. But it makes me wonder if I was missing something? Maybe it’s easy for a reason to give the player a sense of accomplishment after so much ass whipping, and feel good to beat the emperor. Or, is it more of a quick scoring based mode to capitalize on? I’m thinking the former, in that it’s just a quick mode to defeat the emperor and follow the story line.

Mine fires hard into the left flipper. You can’t dead pass to the right or it’ll go up to the far right standup target and put ball out of control which I actually love cause the challenge it presents.

So What do I do?? Live catch the ball from the vuk feed, one of my favorite things to do. Now if I can only live catch the inner loop shots with the associated light show, this game will become a cakewalk

I got an IMDN PRO, AFMrLE, and SW PRO all within about a month of each other. SW is easily my favorite. AFM and IMDN are pinside top 10 games; and I get it, they really have the overall total package compared to SW. But still, as far a gameplay is concerned, I play SW 10 to 1 vs the other 2. It just keeps getting cooler and cooler. And now that I got mine dialed in good at about a 7deg pitch and finding the shots, I am enjoying and appreciating the layout more and more; so fun to shoot!

So I 'Think' Hyperspace multiball is different on the pro than the LE/Prem. But, from what I gather on my pro - and please someone feel free to correct my mistakes as I don't think this is entirely accurate....

The First shot to start Hyperspace Multiball locks the ball in Death Star. That starts 2 or 3 different hurry ups. The First hurry up is the ball saver, this goes away pretty quick. Second hurry up is to hit the locked ball out of the Death Star; doing so re-activates the ball saver hurry up, adds a ball into play, and starts a new hurry up at the Death Star where you can lock another ball. If you lock a ball into the Death Star during this hurry up, it will start another hurry-up where if you can hit the locked ball out of the Death Star again, it'll restart the ball saver timer again, and add another ball into play while also starting another hurry-up at the Death Star. Rinse + Repeat. If at anytime you miss the hurry-up to lock a ball on the Death Star, it then begins the 'repair the hyperdrive' stage in which you have to hit all the hyperspace shots (6?) to repair it which lights the Death Star Hyperspace hurry up. If you can successfully do that, and lock a ball in the Death Star during that hurry up, it will start another hurry-up at the Death Star where if you can hit the ball out, it'll start the ball saver hurry up again and add a ball in play in which it'll start you back at the hurry-up phase where you can start adding balls into play again and refreshing the ball saver. Some of that may be inaccurate but that's what ive gathered from playing so far.

Am I missing it somewhere? But when I complete a planet multiball and make the final shot to destroy the Death Star, Jaba’s palace, escape Hoth, etc... I don’t see a score displayed for that final shot or the multiball total. That really is my only peeve about this game so far. Show me the $ shot!

Also, are the victory medals worth anything besides end of ball bonus? And is there a way to get more than 1 per planet? Like X amount of victory jackpots = 1 medal, 2 medals, 3 medals, and so on?

Fully agree. I’m having such a good time on this. Two games last night nearly achieving Jedi. In one, playing as Leia, I was missing Buba Fett; I got it started, made it to the left orbit shot > hit post, drained, game over doh! The other was as Luke and missed it by one multiball but managed a 1.2 bil LSD. Such a fun, but brutally addicting game.

No have it turned off. I’ve thought about putting it back on just to see how it is though.

Anyone know if there Is a specific fix for rejected HOTH shots when it's supposed to hold the ball but bounces back instead? Mine just started doing this more and more the other week.

Still looking for thoughts and ideas on that HOTH shot. When its lit for mode start or video mode; 99% of the time if I shoot it with the right flipper it locks in perfect as it should. With the left flipper, however, it rejects back about 75% of the time. I played with it for hours last night and have no resolution. Im guessing the angle of the right flipper hits the horseshoe ramp just right where the fork posts catch it; and with the left flipper its going so fast it bounces back before the 2nd opto has a chance to register to fire the blocking up post. That make sense, anyone have ideas?

Thanks. mine is flush but I’ll play with it more and see if it helps.

Has anyone made this adjustment with success? If so do they want to share their secrets for adjustment? Mine seems flush but maybe not? I dunno...

No hyperloop on pro but you can repair the hyperdrive so to speak and reinitiate the ball saver and ball feeding sequence. I believe once the initial feeding sequence is over, all shots light for what appears to be hurry up jackpots. Collect all those or a certain number of those and it’ll light the DS shot to start feeding again. Don’t know if these rules are the same on the LE/PREM or not though.

Have you tried listening to it with headphones? It sounds really good and in stereo. but ill check for this distortion next time. I know with my backbox speakers they were pressing up against the speaker grille causing distortion and very poor quality sound output, you may want to check to make sure that's not the problem either.

I rewatched all 3 a few times now with my 5 year old. He's absolutely obsessed with anything Star Wars. In fact, I wish there was a way to just enable the video mode without playing pinball so I can let him go at it on his own lol.

it's awesome to watch the movies again. They really are a classic and aged pretty well considering. I still find it comical that Han Solo's reward for saving the princess is a huge shipment of containers, don't they have paypal or Zelle with that technology

All in all, they are definitely worth the watch. It's fun seeing scenes in the movie as they correspond to the pinball. I think stern did a really good job with theme integration on that aspect.

if your backbox speakers are muddy and not crisp (mine was); pull the speaker panel down and verify the speakers aren't getting crammed against the speaker grill causing the speakers to not be able to vibrate in and out properly. I put some washers on my speakers to space them away from the grill and that helped tremendously. I will probably eventually upgrade to flipper fidelity, but 75% of the time I play is with headphones on in stereo.

Lots! More than GOT and TWD which are 2 of my favorite sterns. TWD code is more polished than SW and both GOT & TWD do a better job of displaying big jackpot scores, but SW does have more variety and better risk/reward scoring opportunities and has faster yet risky progression. Each character has 2 or 3 ways to tackle the game that's different from each other. I discovered a new way to tackle Leia just this morning; hope to test & refine it a little more today. If you like brutality, speed, and diversity; you'll dig SW. TWD, GOT, and SW are some of my favorite pins.

On a side note; does anyone know if you can make the FORCE drops harder to advance letters for the add a ball in multiball? It seems to award a letter for each drop you hit on one shot which makes sense, but I'd like it a little harder like spotting one letter per hit no matter how many drops you get in that one hit. I'll check the feature adjustments later, but just thinking out loud for now

FORCE inserts light up solid in order F to E as you hit drops. It's the same for all the world multiball; but there's a hurryup timer associated to it; if you don't hit the drops after a few secs a countdown timer starts with sound effect. hitting the drops continues spelling FORCE and resets the timer; if you don't hit drops and timer goes off you have to start over on it.

Typically, I'd agree with you and held off updating my GOT for the same reasons. But I updated to 1.05 today and Man, it's like the best SW update yet! Lol. Sound is fixed and hoth never bricks, locks shots into place so well. Night and day difference for me.

I never did 1.04 either but I've always had the hoth shot reject and come back out 75% of the time; now it locks in place every time. And my quirky sound issues are gone it seems too.

In case anyone was wondering what Happens when you hit every shot in LSD with a 40X as Luke....

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Typically, I say it's normal but it does seem a little excessive on yours. I would contact your distributor and see what what he & stern says about it.

One of the things ive learned about this game in the 500 plays or so is that the multiplier is really quite minor compared to how big of an issue it is to haters who hate to learn the game. And what I mean is this; for most veteran players having shots multiplied typically translates to 'I must continue moving my multiplier to maximize my scoring'. But in Star Wars, there's really only certain moments that you really. want to have a shot multiplied and not risking your ball by moving it; otherwise, ignoring the multiplier will bring on better results. For example, trying to move the multiplier around for every jackpot shot in a multiball = bad. Or trying to have it hit every mode shot = bad. You want to have it in the right spot for that 'cash in' shot of a mode, multiball, or sequence.

On the flip side, here's the moments you really really want to have your shot multiplied:
- Death Star is the best place to keep your multiplier when idle on ignore. And/or the two shots to the right of it (Endor/Hoth).
- Anytime you're gonna start a video mode. TIP: HOTH-1 mission is a video mode and can be started from other shots other than the Hoth/video mode shot so make sure it's multiplied before picking this mission.
- Hyperspace hurry ups and Hyperspace multiball
- Tie Fighter Super JP
- Final shot of any planet multiball
- Any and all shots of Light Saber Duel
- Any and all shots of Escape Bubba Felt
- Certain modes can benefit from being multiplied but not every shot of the mode. there's 12 missions so hard to dig in on which are the best but a good rule of thumb is if its a hurry up mode shot, don't worry about the multiplier. And learn where the final shot of a mission ends and keep it there.
- Death Star MB: Death Star Shot
- Tatooine MB: Endor Ramp. Sometimes toggling back and forth of Endor and Hoth shots are good but this is risk vs reward.
- Endor MB: Death Star Shot
- Hoth MB: Far Left outer loop shot during mb; Hoth Shot to complete multiball.
- Any and all shots of Jedi Multiball.

I may be missing one or two but that's the jist of it in what I believe the 'critical' areas to be multiplied. Other than that, just keep the multiplier at Death Star/Endor/Hoth. The brilliant thing about the scoring logic is that modes like Light Saber Duel or Bubba Fett are easy simple modes, but maximizing the scoring of these modes is where things get interesting as you can really cash in a lot of points. i.e. Risk/Reward. Same could be said about the multi balls.

And for the advanced players: The tricky part is what do you do with the multiplier when you have stacks going like a planet mb + Hyperspace + Tie fighter. Usually its good to just keep it on Death Star but if your doing Hoth or Tatooine, you may want to move the multiplier around constantly from Death Star, to utter left orbit, to Endor, to Hoth.

Another insightful advanced tip. Tatooine-2 is a two shot hurry up - Right ramp > Death Star. You can easily stack this with a hyperspace hurry up, so make sure your multiplier is set on the Death Star to cash in the double hurry up.

You probably needed to defeat Light Saber Duel and/or Escape Bubba Fett. So you cannot do modes anymore but focus on the tasks to complete those tasks. Trap up and check out the info screen to see which of the 2 you need. LSD = Drop targets to progress FORCE. Escape Bubba = combos to get white arrows lit then cash in the white arrow to progress.

Sweet!

Yes, exactly. Parking a multiplier on the 3 main shots (Death Star, Endor, Hoth) still keeps you on your toes to move it as it moves from 3 multipliers to 2 to 1. But all in all as we can see; moving the multiplier around isn't as critical as some people make it out to be. Just keeping it on these 3 main shots is the biggest factor for most the scoring opportunities.

hah my bad. I am really tired in my defense

I don't think that's such a bad thing; those outer loops are tight! ...and tough. If you had more focus there, it could turn modes into a Lonnie stale slow chase that one shot for 30 secs brickfest. I think Dwight uses those loops good with the left used more as it can be back handed. I think there's only 2 modes where you need to hit that right loop? And the rest are jackpot multiball advancements. That's a good thing IMO.

Only thing I don't like about the game is the fanfare when defeating a planet mb. 1. There's no score displayed for the final shot and 2. When you defeat a planet, it begins to play the killer SW pump you up music only to get interrupted seconds later by the lousy victory mb horns. Other than that, this game is fun and addicting. Love the unorthodox ruleset.

I don't think we'll see more code for awhile to be honest. But if I were to comment on what the game really needs, I'd say;
+ more priority writing during multiball stacks. Example, during hyperspace multiball and when you defeat a planet multiball you don't get the fan fare call out or music.
+ during LSD, when you make the final shot it shows 'all escape' with a point value for that final shot but it should show the total score displayed for the mode instead.
+ final shot on any planet multiball doesn't show score value for that shot anywhere. Overall, kind of a shame to have so many cool unorthodox scoring rules and 2 LCD displays yet not show scores for key modes and shots.
+ need an indicator somewhere on the display to show hyperspace multiball progress.
+ transition the victory multiball horns sound better into the game. Have them layered with the Star Wars fanfare music. Such a bummer to hear the Star Wars score after completing a planet multiball only to have it abruptly cut off by victory horns. Improve the sound mixing and transitions.

EDIT: wishlist item:
+ we have cool options in the adjustments with stacking modes, multiballs, or turning stacking off. I'd like another option for stacking off - start random mission: this basically starts a random mission from the shot you made. So if you shoot hoth, you will only start a hoth mission. Shoot Death Star, you will only start a Death Star mission and it's a random select. This would be a fun home use setting for advanced players.

Yea I'll send it dwights way but I'm pretty sure he's moved on to his next project. Maybe if someone happened to have a popular YouTube channel that people watched, enjoyed, and respected; they could list it off for stern *cough* Zac *cough*

The rules on SW are as good as, if not better, than GOT. Im a huge GOT fan and love the game. I do enjoy the multiplier rules on GOT more as they are more spread out; however, keeping a 20x or 40x multiplier alive on SW is thrilling, Adrenalin pumping, and rewarding. So regarding multipliers, both have their own perks and more importantly, they are both unique, unorthodox, and never been done in any other pinball that i can think of.

Regarding rules and such. No PDF's like theyve had for GOT or IMDN that i know of. Tiltforums could be helpful. They key to Star Wars is knowing what the sound effects mean and different colored arrows/lights. Here's my attempt at a quick guide (anyone feel free to help me on some of this as it's probably not 100% accurate):

+ Sound Effects:
> Mid-tone deeper countdown sound effect = multiplier about to expire
> High tone countdown sound effect = mode hurryup about to expire in which it resets the mode to the beginning of that stage.
> High tone countdown sound effect in multiball = Spelling force for add a ball is about to expire in which it resets having to spell FORCE again.

Note-1: Something to keep in mind about missions is there are no traditional timers so to speak. You play them til they are complete. So you can get stuck in a mission if you do not know what you're doing or know what the sound effects mean.

Note-2: Spell FORCE during any of the 4 planet multiballs to get an add-a-ball which is cashed in using the lockdown bar button. Spelling FORCE for the add-a-ball is a hurryup and a timer will begin to clock down; hit any FORCE drop target to reset the timer. Fail to reset the timer, resets the entire add-a-ball sequence having you spell FORCE again. The lockdown bar will be flashing Orange if you have an add-a-ball available. Be careful if you start Tie Fighter assault during multiball as you wont be able to add-a-ball Hint: maybe try adding a ball first, then do the tie fighter assault. In addition, you can choose not to use your add-a-ball and carry it over into any other multiball in the game. You can have a max of 2 add-a-balls saved at any given time.

+ Modes (General):
> Shoot either of the 4 shots (Death Star, Endor, Hoth, Tattoine) 3 times to light its Missions; this also lights the shot to be used as a mode start.

+ Missions (Death Star):
Death Star mission shots are represented with purple'ish multi-colored arrow lights for all missions.
> DS-1: Shoot 4 shots to complete. I believe these are Left outside Loop, Left inner orbit, Right inner orbit, and right ramp. SKB Difficulty Meter: Easy
> DS-2: Shoot either of the 2 inner loops 3 times which activates a hurryup at either of the outside loops. Make the outside loop in time and the mode is complete. Fail, and the mode starts over. SKB Difficulty Meter: Medium
> DS-2 (Han): Han solo DS-2 is different. If memory serves, it's shoot either 2 inner orbits or 2 outter loops, then shoot a left ramp. SKB Difficulty Meter: Medium
> DS-3: Shoot any of the lit shots, then hit the tie fighter to collect. I believe you have to do this 4 times to complete. SKB Difficulty Meter: Hard
> Destroy the Death Star: There are 3 phases, like the movie, before you can destroy the death star. Each phase is the same as the next which is shoot the 2 ramps to light a Death Star Hurryup, then shoot Death Star. If the hurry up timer runs out before you hit Death Star, that phase will reset. The call out for completing phase 2 is the rogue leader saying 'nope, it didnt go in'. That's when it's Luke's turn to destroy the death star in which the next Death Star Hurryup will blow up the death star. SKB Difficulty Meter: Hard

+ Missions (Tattoine):
Tattoine Shots are represented with Orange arrow lights for all missions
> T-1: Shoot 5 shots to complete. I believe these are left outter orbit, left inner orbit, right inner orbit, right ramp, right outter loop. SKB Difficulty Meter: Hard
> T-2: Shoot either ramp to start a Death Star Hurryup. Shoot the death star to complete; if timer runs out the mode resets. SKB Difficulty Meter: Easy
> T-3: Rancor - Phase 1 is Shoot either ramp once then the 3-bank. Phase 2 is shoot both ramps then the 3-bank. SKB Difficulty Meter: Easy-Medium
Tatooine Multiball: the Left ramp and right inner orbit will alternate shots to progress through the multiball. The 3-bank, right ramp and right vuk will be lit to increase the values of those 2 shot progressions. I think you have to hit the left ramp/right inner orbit 8 times each as they alternate which lights the left ramp for the final shot. SKB Difficulty Meter: Medium

+ Missions (Endor):
Endor missions are represented with Green arrow lights for all missions
> E-1: Speeders - hurry up mode, shoot any of the green lights to progress. If the timer runs out, start over. SKB Difficulty Meter: Easy
> E-2: Shoot both ramps as a pair then either ramp to progress to the next phase in which you have to hit a pair of ramps again then either ramp to complete... This has a hurry up and if the timer runs out you need to hit the drops to relight ramps. SKB Difficulty meter: Very Hard.
> E-3: 2 phases, each phase is to shoot 4 shots. The 4 shots for both phases are Right inner orbit, right Ramp, left outter orbit, left ramp - i could be wrong. No hurryup, do at your own pace. SKB Difficulty Meter: Hard
Endor Multiball: Shoot the ramps and/or right inner orbit a few times to light death star hurryup, then shoot death star. If hurryup timer runs out, start over. SKB Meter difficulty: Easy

+ Missions (Hoth):
Hoth Missions are represented with Blue arrow lights for all missions
> H-1: Video Mode: SKB Difficulty Meter: Easy
> H-2: Shoot blue shots. I think its 2 ramps, then 2 outter orbits, then 1 inner orbit. SKB Difficulty Meter: Hard
> H-2 (Luke): Luke battles vader, shoot FORCE drops and spell FORCE. then shoot right inner orbit to complete. Final orbit shot can be timed out. SKB Difficulty Meter: Hard
> H-3: Kinda fuzzy on this one. I think its shoot any blue shot which lights a hurry up shot on death star. Collect before time runs out or mission resets. SKB DIfficulty Meter: Easy-Medium
> H-3 (Leia): Shoot all 3 3-bank targets to start a blue shot hurry up. SKB Difficulty Meter: Hard
Hoth Multiball: Little fuzzy on this one but you must shoot the inner orbits and the left outter loop to progress. Eventually the inner orbits will no longer be lit and you must hit the left outter loop to progress. Once you hit that loop enough times, you must hit the FORCE drops, then 2 ramps, then finish the mode at the right inner orbit. SKB Difficulty Meter: Very Hard

+ Escape Boba-Fet:
> making a combo shot will light light-blue arrows. Hit any of those light-blue arrows to turn it white. Hit a white arrow to progress towards Boba-Fet.
> Escape Boba-Fet = Left Ramp, Right inner orbit, right ramp, left outter orbit, left ramp to complete. Each shot is a quick hurryup. If you do not make the shot in time, the mode will end and you will have to relight the mode and start over. Hint: Shooting the 3-bank increases time on each hurryup shot. Keep your eye on the mini LCD for your timer - if its low, shoot the 3-bank.

FORCE Drops:
> Completing an entire set of Drops lights one letter. Spell FORCE to get to Light Saber Duel.
> Lighting each letter on your way to spelling FORCE gives you one award. I believe they are:
F: Light Mystery
O: Light Escape
R: Advance Jedi?
C: Start Double Multipliers?
E: Light Light saber duel

+ Light Saber Duel:
> Phase 1: Shoot right inner orbit, left inner orbit, and right ramp
> Phase 2: Shoot Right ramp + Right inner orbit
> Phase 3: Right inner orbit
> Complete: Right inner orbit
Left ramp adds 5 seconds. If you hit 3-bank after hitting the left ramp, you can add even more time, like 20 seconds.

EDIT-1: Stand up targets progress towards JEDI. The higher your JEDI rank the more valuable stand up targets are. Hint: This could be quite lucrative if you max your Jedi rank prior to playing multiballs.

EDIT-2: To qualify the emperor battle: You must play all 4 planet multiballs, complete light saber duel, complete escape from boba-fet, get Jedi Rank gold, and destroy 100 tie fighters.

Hope this helps

Edited! Thanks.

Hahaha so true. To be fair; when I have stacking on, I don’t feel too immersed in the Star Wars universe. When stacking is off, I do.

stacking on = for players.
Stacking off = for questors/theme immersion

the default setting is stacking on and most the hate seems to be people that want a story quest game. Makes me wonder how well received it would have been if it’s always been stacking off. Reminds me of X-Men and what a hot mess that was with stacking on.

On the flip side, as a player; I’m loving it with stacking on with no extra balls, and I think I’m going to enable multiball stacking tonight too.

Can any modders key index this ruleset post? I’ll try to keep it up to date best I can.

Check with Chas and/or your distributor. But I had a similar issue with Maiden; it’s the coil stop. Chas said sometimes they put the wrong one in. He’ll send you a new one and/or you can fiddle with it and get it working. I honestly forgot what I did to fix mine, I think I played with the coil stop washer spring or whatever it is so the coil had more freedom and hadn’t had an issue since.

I'm in the opposite boat. I disabled extra balls so only 3 per game. Plus, The game is ridiculously heavy on the multiball side that I have hyperspace set to hard and victory ball saver at 5 secs (Down from 20). It's much better now; you may want to try that if making it easier isn't doing it for you

Pro...premium...I just hit a hyperspace from outer left orbit to Death Star for 1.9 bil. I don't care who you are, thats exhilarating!

I also did something new tonight that I didn't think was possible; I stacked planet/victory multiball with tie fighter + hyperspace multiball. Pretty fun actually. To pull this off you have to get the hyperspace hurry up active, then hit tie fighter hurry up, then activate hyperspace multiball before starting tie fighter multiball.

That said; here's my constructive criticisms of the game after a few months of ownerships and what ive done to correct it:

+ The game is a little ridiculously heavy on the multiball side. The layout isn't the greatest for this heavy multiball mindset. To top it off, the code needs polish in prioritizing the call outs. I think defeating a planet multiball, the music and call out should be priority#1. Also, there's no score display for making the final shot of either of the 4 mini wizard mode planet mb's; 40x final shot to destroy the Death Star and no score! wtf is up with that?!?

+ The video mode is stale. It is only fun when you have 20x or more multiplier, and even then, it needs another dimension to it. What I think would help it is one of two things. 1. Have the speed of the video mode increase as you pass more asteroids and/or 2. If you hit an asteroid, have your multiplier decrease by 1x; while having little bonus multipliers come by from time to time to increase your multiplier making it worthwhile to play even if you start at 2x.

+ the game was getting a little top heavy on ball times for me. Nearly getting to emperor every other game. I thought about opening the outlanes or putting lightning flippers on, but I found something else that made it more intense, more appealing for us brutal style players that corrects this and my other critiques:

I set up my game for the following:
- Reduced Video mode to 15 seconds
- Disabled extra balls
- Turn stacking off (this is optional - I toggle back and forth with this setting but I ultimately enjoy the game as a whole with stacking off)
- Set hyperspace difficulty to Hard (Default = Easy)
- Lowered ball saver on victory mb to 5 secs (default = 20 secs)
- Lowered ball saver on Tie Fighter mb to 10 secs (default = 15 secs)
- Set multipliers difficulty to medium (Default = Easy); this last change is optional. If I were a tournament director, I'd set this on hard to take away the advantage of players knowing how to use the multiplier rule.

These settings definitely help with that heavy multiball feel. And Don't get me wrong, this game is hard on factory. But once you master all the modes and know the safe shots, you'll begin having long ball time games. These settings puts the umph back into the adrenalin factor this game has to offer. Im just throwing this out there for anyone else who feels like me that the game isn't as exciting as when you first got it. These settings definitely puts you back on your toes and really makes you think about your decision making. Tweak at your leisure for your skill level and enjoy

My guess (and this is pure speculation) is that they went for an R2D2 in the X-wing type of feel. They probably did such a killer job on it that they had to bite, scratch, claw back and forth with the license holder and probably had to do many many revisions which, in the end, probably is nothing more than a lasserific see thru topper with a fainted barely recognizable image of R2D2 lol.

Any good apron cards going around for Stern SW?

On factory settings; yes in a way, it can be once you learn the modes, shots, multiballs, and safe zones. That said, It's nothing like ST - there's so much diverse progression that it doesn't feel like a chore but it can have long gametimes. However, I have mine setup brutal and I recommend anyone who starts having long ball times to do the same. The big changes I did was set hyperspace to hard (so you don't get that multiball as often), reduce victory multiball ball saver to 5 secs so you're not playing endless multiball for 5+ minutes, reduce tie fighter multiball ball saver to 10 secs. Additionally, if you want to go even more brutal, turn extra balls off. Then, go for stacking on if you want fast progression or stacking off to be more story based and even harder. You can still progress to mini wizard modes with this setup and emporror is still in reach, yet you won't even come close to 2 character games or 20+ minute games at that.

Nice! Question about tournament mode. Is it as easy as installing a tournament button? And is installing a tournament button easy? I imagine you can customize the settings for tournament mode?

I need to setup 2 start buttons. One for me (tournament) and one for wife, kids, guests.

ditto. I had AFMr and IMDN pro next to my SW and all I wanted to play is SW....and still do

I think this has been posted before but here's a shity bug. Playing as R2D2, if you tilt during Hoth 2, there will be nothing lit to do on your next ball and the mode music will still be playing. No choice but to drain out

Possibly a loose cat5 connection on back of the mini LCD. Mine went completely blank and that was the culprit. Try reseating it.

I have stacking turned off, much better game that way IMO.

Totally agree. More emphasis on defeating the emporor, better choreography with defeating planet multiballs, and better job at displaying major scoring awards (i.e. final shot in a planet multiball).

Are you sure there’s another polish update coming? When it comes to Dwight code, as good as he is, when he moves onto another project he never looks back.

I’d like two endings vs the emporor:

1. If you defeat the emporor you get the end scene from ROTJ as Hoochoo mentioned and maybe Ben, Yoda, and Anakin with the celebration music and a multiball switch frenzy of some sort, or a drop target frenzy where you just pound the drops.

2. If you lose to the emporor it’s game over no matter how many balls you have remaining. With taunting laughs from the emporor.

I’d also like to see medals used more in the game. Maybe a possible way to get more than 1 medal per planet and have them be worth much more than they are, 100 mil isn’t much when you have a 5bil + score that deep into the game.

I just love it that you can blow up the Death Star for 0 points and get no rewarding music.

Can someone in the ‘in’ give Dwight a nut punch for me!?! He really needs to give his game some polish - i.e. show the score when you make a finishing shot in the major multiballs, and give it some priority so that the fan fare music plays every time when doing so.

Come to think of it, I don’t even think light saber duel or emporor battle show the final shot totals. I thought this game was Dwight’s most proud game?

<rant over> still love Dwight and love this game but polish it Dwight please!

He didn’t finish GOT either. Tons of bugs and polish missing in that game.

Ruleswise, game is fantastic and complete.

Code wise, here’s the big ones for me honestly, and I think I posted more earlier in this thread:

+ improved choreography when defeating a planet multiball while hyperspace hurryup, hyperspace multiball, or tie fighter multiball are running.

+ scoring display needs tons of improvements. There are critical shots (i.e. final shot of a planet multiball) that are not displayed. And other key modes that don’t display proper total values (LSD). And modes in general should show a total score for the mode when completed like GOT does.

All in all; I wouldn’t hold your breath on another update anytime soon (if at all). Dwight is working on Munsters and then I suspect it’s back to GB.