I thought there was a Stern platform upgrade in the works? Something like they prototyped hardware on the Transformers Pin?

Everyone expected it on Star Trek. Based on ST's extraordinarily long development period of 20 months (vs. 10 months for AC/DC), I think some in Stern originally planned on it being used with Star Trek too...

The Game Will Not Disappoint. Seen It , Played It.

An LE?

Can you give us more info?

Would you please expand upon this? Sounds, lights, flow, etc... Thanks in advance.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151860860384244&set=vb.136972659243&type=2&theater

more please

A Stern dealer played it and reports he liked it. Go figure...

and WOZ owners love WOZ.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion without getting slagged.
I'd like to hear more from Gap though. Details Man, details!

What do you think he's going to say? No matter what he's going to say that the pin is awesome. He's a dealer. I bet if I go to a Ford dealership they're going to tell me how great their vehicles are.

Since when are people who spend money on games to enjoy them on equal footing credibity-wise with those selling games and making money on them?

I'm suspicious of ANY salesman's glowing praise, and it doesn't matter what they're selling. Someone whose business it is making money from selling a specific product is unlikely to give their real feelings if they were disappointed in that product, as their livlihood depends on it.

As such, any dealer posting a review should state CLEARLY in their post that they are a Stern dealer so there is no confusion and the appropriate weight can be given to the contents.

You have GOT to be kidding! That's insulting!

I agree. its b.s.

Where are the lasers?

In the Ship or Apron?

When you give comments like this, why can't you be more specific in the first place? It's not like you don't know people will start asking for more info.

Do we really have to beg here? Really? Ok fine!
Please, please, please, pleasssssssssseeeeeee, ohhh please!!!

If I had ordered I would be tempted to cancel after seeing this. Do Stern want customer's money???

So the first ever known video of a STAR TREK has been posted to Sterns facebook page today.

https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball

And its obviously... purposely...deliberately... tantalizingly... vague.

They are in on the joke alright... they are in on the joke.

They think they're being cute. Like a schoolyard game of keepaway...

I Cannot Give A Full Review Until Monday, Once The Games Hit The Streets. I Did not Direct Anyone To My Site Which I Could Of Easily Done. I Respect Stern, And Ask If I Could Give A Review. I Think There Are Haters On Here That Are Making This Game Out to Be A Bad Game And I Don't See It. Full Review Monday

And by denying a decent review Stern only adds fuel to the fire. Don't see the point in this if you're sure, and stand behind your product.

It's Not Annoying At All When People Capitalize The First Letter Of Every Single Word For No Reason.

As a self-admitted Stern Fanboy, wearing my Stern-coloured glasses, I see a company that's SO confident that this new pin will be awesome, that they're "doubling-down" by teasing us like this.

If this game is "only average", and not "downright mind-blowingly-awesome", how will they be trusted in the future?
There are somewhere less than 799 Stern supporters at the moment, awaiting details on why we've spent more money on a mostly under-wraps pinball machine.
There will be more than one sad face in the crowd if this pin isn't "the Business!".

Stern are just annoying me right now. Even thinking of not getting Metallica as that video is just infantile.

And lets face it Chambahz no matter what this game ends up to be, you would never say anything other than stellar! No offense but your a self proclaimed fanboy!

I love how Stern has ignited some weird form of rage, because they won't share the info yet, lol.

Brilliant on their part, even though a lot of you won't see it that way.

I dont' necessarily mind someone being a fan, that's great. But when you do so, SO blindly, you really are just encouraging them to do more of the same. Just portraying the attitude that you'll buy whatever they throw at you doesn't exactly encourage them to keep pushing the limits of game design and improving customer interaction.

Yes, brilliant Wolfmarsh. I've already decided to cancel my order and took a refund (and bought a different pin). Brilliant of Stern.

If very brilliant is loosing money to competitors as indicated by many on these threads then your absolutely right!

https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball

Marketing team is back from holiday I guess

What does everyone think of the sounds that you could hear in that 10sec video?

Let's tally the results of their actions in 2 months. Maybe I'm wrong and it will backfire on them, but I think this is a funny/smart play on their part.

Not true! I bought an Avengers LE and had nothing but trouble.
Even this fan-boy admits to buying a VERY poorly manufactured pin from Stern.
Fingers are crossed that doesn't happen again. If quality is an issue with StarTrek (beyond a minor repair or two), I'll have to reconsider where I'm parking my pinball dollars.
See, the problem is that I bought an ACDC Premium and it's my desert-island pin. NOTHING comes close in my opinion. I prefer it over MM, and WOZ.
Hoping that StarTrek will bring more of the same. I base that prediction on 60 multi-colour changing LEDs, amazing flow on Spiderman (similar layout) and the fact that Steve Ritchie has put a lot of time and effort into this pin. All the important key ingredients have been assembled. Now let's see if they bake it properly.

Tough to tally actually, as indicated by others, Stern holds their cards (numbers) to tight to their chest. I am hoping like hell this is a player and kicks ass however I think their marketing stinks. Im holding my money till this one proves out Their marketing has done Zero to convince me otherwise.

Whoever said they're doubling down, i agree.

Either very smart or very crazy. Ask again Monday.

I HOPE very smart because that would mean they're being cocky because it is that damned good.

As a SR, ST, pinball fan, that's what I want.

No, not in the box. The box has the ship movement stuff. Since the ship doesn't move as much, there's just a flat plastic on the front of it on the Pro. I think the ball lock/VUK is UNDER the playfield. Ball goes thru that center lane, locks in a VUK underneath.

Its to bad the only real player in the pinballbusiness is an asshole.

Lets hope jjp can really make a company that puts out a pin every year, cause stern is losing it.

Here's where I think you're mistaken:
my deposit was not made "so, so blindly". I have an ACDC and love the colour changing inserts. StarTrek has 60 of them!
I don't own a Spiderman, but would have been ready to buy a HUO or NIB if available. To me, StarTrek will have the same flow (or better since it's been tweaked by Steve again).
I actually LOVE the artwork. Looking at my ACDC, one reason I like it so much is the bright colours. The old men on the playfield do little for me, but overall I still think it's an "exciting" looking playfield. The very same can be said for StarTrek. They've used lots of very bright colours.
They have a lot of material to pull from if they choose to (video footage, movie quotes, etc).
And oh: it's been put together by Steve Ritchie. Best designer there is in MY opinion.
So what's left: code? Like ACDC, I fully expect it will improve with time. Build quality? Yup -I got burned on Avengers so this is a bit of a risk. Resale value? Yup. Not sure I'll get what I paid for it in a year if I decide to sell it. I'm willing to take that risk. Even if I sell at less than what I paid, I'm ok taking a bit of a loss if I'm able to play it for a year.

So: is it wiser to wait and see how it plays before plunking down your hard-earned cash? You bet it is! Please feel free to do so. Not the route I'm taking on this one.

I hope your right as well Rick. However who ever thinks their marketing is "brilliant" I have to question. Loosing money to others in the short term is not good marketing and no one in business should be that cocky. It is not endearing one bit and usually is short lived for a business to make it the long run. Having said that I think Stern has the ability to do well just look at the games coming out in the very short past. I just believe either they were right in saying their marketing department is "on Vacation", or they have just had a massive brain fart!

Always the same people slinging the mud eh?
Can't you either say something positive or constructive, or just stay out of the thread?
Complain about their marketing, the fact that they're rehashing the playfield, the artwork, whatever... but if you're just going to call people names, maybe it's time to take your meds.

Chambahz I agree constructive criticism and well thought out praise is what I want to hear on here

How do you give constructive criticism to a video that just shits in the face of their own costumers.

You guys must get real, this video is something only a person described as in my last post would do.

Oh I agree with your sentiments: it's practically insulting.
Still, you didn't even reference the video when you started name calling.
(Which, of course isn't really helpful to anyone and only insults Stern fans)

How do you know the details of the Star Trek project schedule?

Lol never seen someone get so worked up over a 10 second video clip.

Tell us more!!

lol yup.
10 bucks says theyre working on the video footage today and put a tidbit on facebook just to say 'hey, we're working on star trek'.

Its not like these guys are working 24/7 (some may be). If there's one thing we've learned from other manufacturers; its that it takes time to build these games, let alone get quality gameplay footage. You think this game is complete and stern is holding off on us by not showing us a final product? no, theyre working their asses off while we type away speculating on these forums

I agree. Somebody is being a dick.

New video Not very inspiring at all. Another let down.
I have been wondering, not knowing anything about Sterns current system (SAM) is that system capable of controlling these new 60 color changer LED's or could the big surprise be the new system after all and Stern is really pulling one over on us.

Each day I start to question all over again whether to buy. Each day I look for more information that might lead me to do so. Not today. Not with that video.

I personally don't see any reason at all to put yourself out on a limb with the LE. Wait for the premium if anything ... looks to have everything of any significance in the game. The LE will always be worth more than the premium but I have a hard time seeing it maintaining a $1300-$1500 edge.

Hmmm his last LE sure seems to be holding ST value over the premium.

Steve finds your lack of faith....disturbing.

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Don't you see what he's holding in his hands???! WHOA!!