Ok, so completion of prime directive I, space jump I, and save the enterprise I give super ramps. Can someone please post the following:

1. Which 3 level 1 mode completions give super spinner (I think it's the bottom three of the triangle) - I can then figure out which 3 modes' level I completion gives super pops

2. Shot Map correspondences: what level III mode completions yield which shot doublers (it was posted that save the enterprise III completion doubles right ramp)?

3. Are those correspondences from question 2. the same for cobbyoni palou shots (so save the enterprise III doubles right ramp and I am asking if the right ramp during cobbyoni palou awards accumulated save the enterprise mode points) ?

4. Are level II and level III mode points added to cobbyoni palou shots or only mode points accumalated through level I ?

5. Not a question, but on MET coffin can be brought in after sparky is started. same with snake and gravemarker (commentators at PAPATV said you have to start coffin first to stack it with another mb).

Thank you.
solarride

Yes, I have only played the MET pro. Thank you. With regard to star trek strat as of v1.3, I was thinking that you could leave one mode completely unstarted (not even level I). Complete level 2s on the remaining modes, and then level III of a ramp mutliplier (like save the enterprise) and then start level 1 of unstarted mode, time out and start coobyoni paluo for 2x doubled right ramp and plus super ramp, plus mode II accumulated points on shots (assuming these aggregate for coobyoi shot points).

Thank you SLC. I should have realized the color correspondence.

He meant Calamari.

Ok, for those that are color blind, I took the liberty of freezing

at 15:52 and came up with

Shot Doubler and tekkamaki maroon correspondence map (can be placed right next to the song bonus chart of someone's website if they want ):

Prime Directive: Left saucer
Klingon Battle: left ramp
Save the Enterprise: Right ramp
Space Jump: right orbit
Destroy the Drill:Warp Ramp (Side Ramp)
Nero:Left Spinner

_{Post edited by SolarRide : Dtd had wrong shot assignment}

No.

That's too bad about the inconsistency. For the remaining shots, the small red combo arrow will be lit solid for the rest of the ball if the level III mode was completed to reflect the doubling as you know. There is not even a red combo arrow for the warp ramp. Hopefully the other 5 modes follow the color-coding shot doubling which SLC mentioned. It is ridiculous IMHO not to follow the same logic with DtD as the other shots and I hope the software will be changed to be consistent. It's amazing how paranoid the programmers of Star Trek are that something will get exploited. I mean vengeance scoring is a timed mode for Pete's Sake ?! Heaven forbid that the top tenth of one percent of players will get 4x the center shot on a consistent basis. Someone in the top tenth of 1% in skill will get a replay without the 4x vengeance "exploit", so all the coders are doing is taking away enjoyment for highly-skilled players.

With Keefer,Lyman, and Dominy being the only top level player/programmers I guess I shouldn't be surprised (did I miss anybody ?)

That's not what I wrote. I wrote "there is not even a red combo ARROW for the warp ramp". I was referring to the small red arrow insert that's on playfield for each of the other mode shots. I said nothing about the BULB that lights for combo on the Warp ramp. Furthermore, there is no large color code arrow in front of the warp ramp. If they wanted to be consistent (that was the idea of the post) they would have made the vengeance shot the DtD doubler since it flashes the same color as DtD during Calamari Gazoo and has the combo INSERT (like the other five shots). Apparently the programmers are intimidated by precision play since 4x Vengeance appears off limits. All it does is reduce fun for good players.

Why is the color of the large insert below the vengeance target the same as that of the DtD insert of the triangle during booberifo bagoo ? Shouldn't the bulb at the top of the side ramp flash yellow during booberifo bagoo instead of red since that was the shot that was meant to be the drill doubler ?
I don't think it's odd that you can't double the vengeance shot, I think it's lame that you can't double it.

Well if you've racked up big points in the modes prior to the KM MB you would want to have warp 9.8 going into it and a lit black hole target (using vengeance mb and/or klingon mb to get close to 9.9) to add a 3rd ball into play or to rescue the multilball by hitting the Warp ramp, so its definitely important.

Yes. Here is a question for you and I truly don't mean any offense:

Did you know that the shots don't have to be continuous to get to Warp 9.9 ? The shot progress is saved.

Also, I would assume on location that everyone goes for 3 ramps to light the EB at the vengeance target, so at that point you need 15 additional ramps.

I wasn't suggesting it as a tournament strategy (and maybe you weren't suggesting that I was).

Proposed v1.3 Stern Star Trek Strategy:
1. play all but one of your level I's
2. play the level IIs of the modes you played in step 1 (so stay away from the mode you haven't played at all yet because you don't want to start Kobiyashi Maru prematurely) in the following way:

completely finish level II for a couple of the modes and then for the others finish most of the shots until you are down to two or three shots (status report tells you how many shots are left) and then TIME OUT these modes so it ends with two or three shots left (take note of which shots are left). Just make sure the last two shots left over for the deliberate time-out are the shot doublers for the modes you plan to finish at level III and not the timed out mode. The reason for this is that these last couple of shots are absolutely massive in points (the last two shots of NERO for example were worth 5 or 6M points each undoubled iirc) and you want to shoot them with both the shot doubler (available for completing a level III mode) and combo doubler for 4x points.

3. Ok, taking note of which shots are left over for the deliberately timed-out level II modes, proceed to complete level III for the modes corresponding to those shots using the level II modes you did finish so that the 2x shot doubler is available for those shots of the timed-out unfinished level II modes.

4. Now start the level II modes you deliberately timed out and for each, hit an unlit shot to lite the combo doubler for one of the lit shots. Hit the combo hurry-up plus the 2x shot double for 4x MASSIVE POINTS (remember these are the last two shots of the level II mode so they are huge to begin with).

Just doing this should get you 30 or 40 M points for the mode, so doing this for three modes gives 120M.

5. Now start level 1 of the mode you stayed away from in step 1. So that Kobiyashi Maru is lit when it is finished. Since you got massive points in some of the modes, KM mb will be worth ridiculous points (and don't forget, you still have your shot doublers going into KM).

I'm thinking you can get a 300 M score using this type of strategy.

If you start multiball with a mode going and hit the warp ramp (I never suggested doing this in single ball play) via the spinner shot followed by the right flipper you get:
1. credit for a mode shot on the warp ramp (iirc it's at 2x combo because of the spinner shot but not 100% certain).
2. credit for a jackpot shot on the warp ramp (iirc it's at 2x combo because of the spinner shot but not 100% certain)
3. credit towards getting an add-a-ball at the ramp

Have you ever witnessed anyone cradling a ball on their left flipper and then shooting a spinner ramp combo with another ball on their right flipper ?

By doing this during multiball with a mode brought in your risk v reward is just fine IMHO. Also I am only suggesting this as a strategy (read my original post if you don't believe me) if your KM is at a high value. Under these circumstances you don't want it to end quickly, and this is mitigated by having add-a-ball options primed.

I do not know if it applies to the level 1 wizard mode. I do know that 4x the last couple shots of a level II mode is very large regardless of whether it can be leveraged in KM or not.

Ok, since it is hard for you to hit then at least have the black hole target lit if you have gotten a lot of level I mode points going into KM. As for me, I am going for the home run on location. I would not use this strategy in a tournament and never suggested that I would.

I could see SLC's Save the Trenterprise strategy being used in a tournament since it is the easiest shot doubler.

Great point

Well if it includes level II points then you could get KM to a very high value by playing the level II modes (stacked with multiball as you suggest) rather than timing them out since the last few shots of each level II mode are very high in value.

Gotcha. You meant timing out level 1 modes, not level 2 modes.

You are correct, you cannot finish the level 2 modes by timing them out. However, I am not talking about timing out the level 2 modes to finish them in my previous post. I am talking about letting the timer run out when you only have two or three shots left leaving the level 2 modes purposely unfinished. Then completing level 3 modes which are shot doublers for those unfinished shots in the purposely-unfinished modes, re-entering those purposely-unfinished level 2 modes with the shot doublers in place, and cashing in the remaining high-value shots with the shot doublers in conjunction with the combo doubling for very large point values (4x times a high-value shot).

In regards to SLC's concern of having the unfinished shots in a given mode being the same as that mode's shot doubler, you would shoot the early shots of that mode purposely at that mode's shot doubler to eliminate them so that the remaining high-value shots would be on a different mode's shot doubler.

For example, in Nero, you would hit the spinner shot whenever it is flashing during the initial, low-value shots of the mode, and never hit the right ramp shot (unless it totally bottle-necks shot-progression of the mode) since it is the easy-to-get Save the Trenterprise right ramp doubler (so you would focus on completely finishing Save the Trenterprise III after purposely timing out the level II Nero and then re-enter L2 Nero with the right ramp shot doubler).

With this sort of focus, it is very likely you will have high-value shot/shot doubler combinations. Through trial and error the easiest combinations will be found.

And then v1.35 will come out and wipe out this strategy since it might result in a replay for a small subset of people who play pinball machines

Thanks Keith. You have confirmed what I thought in
"http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/st-le-is-incredible-out-of-the-box/page/4" which is that how well you did in l2 modes has nothing to do with mini-wizard mode 2 (I haven't gotten to mini-wizard mode 3 yet). Also, I believe I got a big Destroy the Drill in KM even though I did nothing in the L1 mode (I timed it out until the final shot). I have a theory that just hitting the coruscating final shot of each L1 mode at the end might be a big determining factor in the KM value for the L1 mode. But for certain it is bizarre that I got a big value in KM for an essentially timed out L1 mode. I found out about the shot doubling "bug" you posted the hard way. I had the Save the Trenterprise right-ramp doubler during Klingon L2 and KM and it did nothing; only the combo doublers worked.

So right now the best confirmed strat I have used is to use vengeance mb to safely and continuously shoot the right 3-bank to build up torpedoes during ball save. Then after getting out of Vengeance mb, lock two balls for Klingon MB and light the 3rd up center (shoot lock 2 in left saucer so lock 3 is center top). With the ball cradled use your smart missiles to light vengeance scoring and then shoot the center to stack Klingon mb and vengeance scoring. Then just combo and center during Klingon mb for both mb jackpots and vengeance 2x jackpots. Other than that, simply timing down L1 modes and finishing with the coruscated shot and then playing out the L2 modes seems to work (back-handing left ramp and then shooting a lit shot on the right side for L2 seemed successful for a lot of the L2 modes).

Thanks.
Solarride.

Good question. When I shot the right ramp during Klingon L2 mode with the right ramp doubler, it seemed to do nothing.
Actually I hate to say this, but I THINK it (the L3 ramp doubler) actually NULLIFIED the combo doubler (so just 1x the shot) ?! But not 100% certain on this since the font on the DMD is very small for the values of the shot doubled or not. I know my score didn't jump up much at all for the anal setup involved.

The coruscated shot is definitely worth more than the other final shots, but it is difficult to double since hitting any other non-coruscated shot at the end will simply finish the mode. You need to hit some other shot with about a second left and then hit the coruscated shot to double it. But it's hard to tell which shot will be coruscated on the fly so I just play it safe and hit a coruscated shot without the combo doubler.