I wonder if they will be specific schematics for each version of each board. Eg, Spike 1 node 8 vs spike 2 node 8. Or spike 1 cpu vs spike 2 cpu.
Or will they only release spike 1 schematics and say spike 2 are coming soon.
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I wonder if they will be specific schematics for each version of each board. Eg, Spike 1 node 8 vs spike 2 node 8. Or spike 1 cpu vs spike 2 cpu.
Or will they only release spike 1 schematics and say spike 2 are coming soon.
Quoted from branlon8:Do we believe that the criticisms about Spike voiced here on Pinside somehow motivated Stern now to take action?
When the community is considering to send your boards to China to have them reverse engineered, you have little options left. People will figure out these boards with or without help from stern. But schematics and a parts list would make it a whole lot easier
Quoted from benheck:The SPIKE node boards would cost a lot more than $12 to reproduce... but still miles less than the retail cost.
Also (and pertaining to my conversation with Hilton above) they have microcontrollers (MCU) on them. It's possible the system update also updates the firmware on the node boards MCU's which could cause failure or in some cases "brick" them.
Thus even though the boards are certainly repairable that won't help if the MCU itself needs re-flashing. You could buy a replacement but without the right code to flash back onto it it's still a doorstop.
I kind of doubt Stern would release the source because then there's nothing stopping people from making clones. Even if they released the compiled source as a HEX just for flashing it could still be reverse-engineered.
I thought someone looked up the data sheet for the MCU and it comes with a generic boot loader, although Stern may have a proprietary firmware installed. It’s beyond my skill level, but hopefully someone will figure it out.
16EAB82C-0081-4A7A-A2BA-36F8E29A2AB3 (resized).jpegQuoted from russdx:Could indeed be. My money is on that weird test pad connector on the back be interesting what the correct answer is and can be easily verified by just seeing what pins those various connectors connect to on the micro controller via a meter
So just a continuity test between that ribbon cable connection/back pads and the pins on the MCU? I should be able to do that this afternoon if I have time.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:I know for a fact this is incorrect.
Did stern sub contract out the whole development of the Spike system? Did they even own the rights to distribute the schematics before now? Maybe we’re all blaming stern for the problems with node boards when they didn’t even design them?
Just thinking out loud
Well as timely as this could be.
Yesterday a bill was presented for Right to Repair legislation in Canada. If this goes through then Stern won’t legally be able to withhold anything required to fix these boards our selves
Here’s the article that I quoted from
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gyawqy/right-to-repair-legislation-is-officially-being-considered-in-ontario-canada
On Thursday, Coteau introduced a private member’s bill in provincial parliament that, if passed, would be the first “right to repair” law for electronic devices in North America. More than a dozen US states are currently considering similar bills, but nothing is on the books yet in the US or in Canada.
The legislation proposes that tech companies make diagnostic tools, repair manuals, and official parts available to consumers at their request. The legislation would also require that any new products ship with a repair manual. Documents provided to consumers must be free unless they request paper copies, and parts, tools, and software must be provided at a fair price.
“The intention of the legislation is to force a company like Apple to ensure the parts they create for their phones and tablets are available to be purchased,” Coteau said, adding that the legislative process would look for ways to ensure companies’ copyright and intellectual property is respected.
Quoted from schudel5:You have to pay to join the Stern Insider club to enjoy member's only access to the schematics and repair guides.
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Is this true, or speculation?
Quoted from DNO:So, they provide replacement node boards, and a sheet of paper showing how to install it.
I think it goes more to allowing after market boards to be made by having available schematics, proprietary chips or code to get them working.
I think it would limit manufacturers from requiring you to return your product to them to be fixed. So, if a spike cpu board blows you will have options to repair it or replace it.
I looked up them over, not bad, but I couldn’t find more then half of the boards for Game of Thrones. Maybe the rest will show up today?
What’s the difference between a SD card image, and the game code? Could the SD card image contain an auto flasher to program the micro controllers onthe node boards? Both have the same version number of code.
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