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STERN should think about playing the LONG game!


By iceman44

11 days ago



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    #1 11 days ago

    There is plenty of room for guys like AP and especially Deeproot to come in and start picking off meaningful chunks of Stern market share.

    AP is doing it the right way. Oktoberfest may not be a hugely popular theme but it’s a kick ass FUN deep mode based game that will only get better and they put the consumer first

    Can you imagine if someone like DR can come along with all of its coders and graphics people and create a pinball experience that GROWS with each pin over time?

    In other words, I buy their pins and we know we will get the Lyman treatment x 2

    Maybe updates and new challenges every year

    The old Stern model of “hey GB and Munsters sold really well so we don’t have to worry about making the experience better”.....

    If DR or anybody can change that old model, I’m in and I suspect many others will be as well

    For HUO these are expensive toys that the manufacturer should think about ways to extend the long term experience versus same old same old

    #2 11 days ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Maybe updates and new challenges every year

    I think that would work if the pin itself could be easily rethemed but whole new layout and experience even if its cookie cutter style is tough to beat. Theres something about the NIB experience and the goodbye process to a pin uv had ur time with, like women. you can change the hair, teach her a new language, new clothes but......................nuff said.

    #3 11 days ago

    Public relations wise, Munsters is a critical title to the long run of Stern. Everyone will point to as an example, how Stern treats the coding, depth and most importantly show series integration of that table. They must get it right there, even though selling well and show the fans they will give us our monies worth in regard to code. The game looks and shoots well. Code is the only achilles heal of the game. It is fun, but needs that lasting depth for us home buyers.

    If Stern shows us they don’t care, as long as sales are good, because no matter the game everyone wants more code, a keystone title like Munsters won’t go down well with the community in the long run. They simply need to hit it out of the park on that title for sure, imo.

    #4 11 days ago

    Without a doubt the elephant in the room with Stern is definitely coding or lack thereof. if somebody there at this point doesn't know they have a problem with coding than that is a serious issue. One of the absolute biggest bitches as far as lack of coding is Ghostbusters and how many years ago was that now? And now here we are still talking about a lack of depth and coding on the newest game that they're putting all their hopes on. It's a systemic problem and if they don't curb that problem now I think it's ultimately going to drive people to other vendors it's inevitable. Or at least my two cents worth I guess

    #5 11 days ago
    Quoted from Hazoff:

    I think that would work if the pin itself could be easily rethemed but whole new layout and experience even if its cookie cutter style is tough to beat. Theres something about the NIB experience and the goodbye process to a pin uv had ur time with, like women. you can change the hair, teach her a new language, new clothes but......................nuff said.

    It’s hard for me to love em and leave BUT I get that sentiment

    I’m thinking LCD animation changes to keep it fresh and some new code to create some different challenges

    In other words, a little nip and tuck, breast enhancement, etc

    #6 11 days ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    In other words, a little nip and tuck, breast enhancement, etc

    Ok, I see where u going. I'm in.

    #7 11 days ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    the manufacturer should think about ways to extend the long term experience

    Quoted from Hazoff:

    would work if the pin itself could be easily rethemed

    Multimorphic already does this. If you want more of that, buy their pins and encourage others to buy them too. Their modular approach works best with a robust variety of game choices.

    #8 11 days ago

    I really like Sterns and the ones I have. But after seeing the cheapness of the pins versus what they used to be and getting burned on my last two NIB from them I just can't and won't. On top of the coding issues. I just added a Houdini and love how solid and packed it is. Which definitely has me more interested in Octoberfest these days. I would love to add a MET back in the house but after two bad playfields just on that one I'm just to afraid to try.

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    #9 11 days ago

    You guys are really on to something here.

    Makes a lot of sense that the #1 pinball company - by far - should radically rethink their business model. I’m sure they are tired of making money and staying in business.

    And as players and collectors, I’m sure we’d all be better off if they took cues from their competition. They should start with eliminating whitewoods, abandoning popular licenses, and ending their troublesome practice of releasing numerous titles a year.

    #10 11 days ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    Multimorphic already does this. If you want more of that, buy their pins and encourage others to buy them too. Their modular approach works best with a robust variety of game choices.

    I’m anxious to see what theme Gerry has coming that could be a game changer for them

    It would drive sales of all their other titles too I would think

    If Multi can gain some traction that would be great

    #11 11 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    You guys are really on to something here.
    Makes a lot of sense that the #1 pinball company - by far - should radically rethink their business model. I’m sure they are tired of making money and staying in business.
    And as players and collectors, I’m sure we’d all be better off if they took cues from their competition. They should start with eliminating whitewoods, abandoning popular licenses, and stop their troublesome practice of releasing numerous titles a year.

    Innovate or die Levi

    Remember Kodak? BlackBerry? Etc etc

    Keep on doing the same thing, wash rinse and repeat and see what happens

    Especially if DR does what I’m talking about

    I and many of my fellow past NIB buyers are thinking the same thing.

    #12 11 days ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Innovate or die Levi
    Remember Kodak? BlackBerry? Etc etc
    Keep on doing the same thing, wash rinse and repeat and see what happens
    Especially if DR does what I’m talking about

    Sterns been doing this for 32 years bro.

    “Long game” LOL.

    Its a little early to be drinking.

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    #13 11 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Its a little early to be drinking

    Naa, it’s a beautiful Saturday afternoon worthy of a cold beer.

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    #14 11 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Sterns been doing this for 32 years bro.
    “Long game” LOL.
    Its a little early to be drinking.

    That’s the kind of attitude that is gonna take em down too

    You don’t buy games. I get it

    You do recall the barely hung on lean years no?

    Arrogance and taking customers for granted will put you right back there

    #15 11 days ago

    I would be happy if they could make a pin that Didn't have bad playfields or cabinets.

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    #16 11 days ago

    Or some vodka and pinside. After all it's five o clock somewhere

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    #17 11 days ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    That’s the kind of attitude that is gonna take em down too
    You don’t buy games. I get it
    You do recall the barely hung on lean years no?
    Arrogance and taking customers for granted will put you right back there

    Or so you and your ilk have been saying for 5 years.

    Why not lead by example and put your money where your mouths are? I expect you guys to go all in on AP and multimorph. That’s where the innovation is boys, buy up their stock!

    #18 11 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Or so you and your ilk have been saying for 5 years.
    Why not lead by example and put your money where your mouths are? I expect you guys to go all in on AP and multimorph. That’s where the innovation is boys, buy up their stock!

    Deeproot

    After buying 5 yrs I’m saying the me and many of similar mindset are looking for something new and better, that’s focused on a longer term experience

    JJP can’t compete on price, so let’s see what DR does with all that $$$ and talent

    Here’s a news flash, it WONT be more of the same old same old. Good or bad

    Stern was basically bankrupt and needed a bailout from investors, just like JJP

    Yeah, it’s worked out so great for them for 32 years every year. Lol

    Its Lyman only for me now, so I’m looking forward to AP, DR and future JJP games and maybe P3

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    #19 11 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Sterns been doing this for 32 years bro.

    Sears has been in business since 1893. How's that working out?

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    #20 11 days ago

    The pinball machines that don’t exist and can’t buy are always way cooler than the games that do exist and you can buy.

    Have fun flipping your innovative deep root games this weekend gang.

    #21 11 days ago

    Stern is innovating too, just in ways that aren't designed to upend the industry. They're making fun games, promoting the competitive landscape. As the market grows, every piece of the pie gets bigger.

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    #22 11 days ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    Stern is innovating too

    i like their innovation of the power button in the backbox

    #23 11 days ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    i like their innovation of the power button in the backbox

    Yeah remember when they did this and it was the end of the world?

    Sarcasm emoji

    #24 11 days ago

    I just wish they would work on the quality. A multiple thousand dollar product that doesn't last will be their downfall if people do as I have.

    #25 11 days ago
    Quoted from Buzz:

    I just wish they would work on the quality. A multiple thousand dollar product that doesn't last will be their downfall if people do as I have.

    Then find another thread bro!

    This is about how stern needs to innovate if they want to keep up with world-beaters like Oktoberfest.

    #26 11 days ago

    Quality shouldn't be innovative but it would be for Stern.

    #27 11 days ago
    Quoted from Buzz:

    Quality shouldn't be innovative but it would be for Stern.

    Shouldn't that apply to every manufacturer of pinball machines?

    #28 11 days ago

    Very simple but I really like color changing lights like some other companies are using. ST LE is the closest example of this.

    #29 11 days ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Innovate or die Levi
    Remember Kodak? BlackBerry? Etc etc
    Keep on doing the same thing, wash rinse and repeat and see what happens
    Especially if DR does what I’m talking about
    I and many of my fellow past NIB buyers are thinking the same thing.

    Remember Pin 2K?
    Everyone wants new and different until it actually happens. Then they hate it.

    #30 11 days ago
    Quoted from Buzz:

    A multiple thousand dollar product that doesn't last will be their downfall if people do as I have.

    I dunno about quality anymore.
    A dirty 24 and new BK pro both looked great and equally reliable through a recent weekend show.
    The new 12k YBR had issues.
    Oktoberfest seemed ok.
    Let me know when someone gets it right.

    #31 11 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Or so you and your ilk have been saying for 5 years.
    Why not lead by example and put your money where your mouths are? I expect you guys to go all in on AP and multimorph. That’s where the innovation is boys, buy up their stock!

    I can stone cold guarantee you that my next NIB purchase will be an Oktoberfest. After the first NIB being a Stern I doubt I'll ever buy one again. For the money the game shouldn't play like a whitewood with a pretty paint job. Fool me once. Other companies will and are start to eat their lunch by not chinsing out on their machines and it shows.

    #32 11 days ago
    Quoted from RCA1:

    Remember Pin 2K?
    Everyone wants new and different until it actually happens. Then they hate it.

    NOBODY, but some buttheaded exec, wanted P2k. Nobody.

    #33 11 days ago
    Quoted from Vino:

    I dunno about quality anymore.
    A dirty 24 and new BK pro played through a weekend show just fine.
    The new 12k YBR had issues.
    Let me know when someone figures it out.

    It is true that you can read about any machine having some problems and some not. But playfield and cabinets seem to be a problem for one. Toys, boards, switches and stuff are just part of a complex item like pinball.

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    #34 11 days ago

    A pin that would allow you to play against someone somewhere else that owns that same pin. When it's their turn your pin plays in front of you just like they were there minus the crop dusting. Plus it would make for cool videos of pins playing on their own like they were possessed.

    #35 11 days ago

    It’s not like you are buying a $60 Xbox video game you can put in a box when you are done with it

    Just some simple F ing changes to start with

    Update a mode challenge or mini wizard once a year

    Fully utilize the LCD clips by adding and incorporating them further each year to keep it fresh

    The LE model is going to take a huge dump when DR games hit

    Those fat juicy profit margins are gonna dry up because NIB buyers will have other better options AND with every release, people are just getting tired of getting F Ed on the secondary market when they go to sell these older stale pins

    Further creating a F ing GLUT of high priced ply wood and lights!

    Yeah, keep it up, same model

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    #36 11 days ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    The LE model is going to take a huge dump when DR games hit

    God I hope so...that would be great.

    #37 11 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    ending their troublesome practice of releasing numerous titles a year.

    You say this sarcastically but it’s kind of the truth.

    #38 11 days ago

    As long as Stern manages to release more games than anyone else and get them at 5k they will stay there for a while.

    #39 11 days ago

    Have you been drinking again Iceman?

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    #40 11 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:Sterns been doing this for 32 years bro.
    “Long game” LOL.
    Its a little early to be drinking.

    The same could be said for Gottlieb. They did it for 45 years and were by far the dominant pinball company for most of those years. When solid state came along, they refused to change, fell way behind and ultimately never caught up. They went from the gold standard to 'has been' in a few years.

    #41 11 days ago
    Quoted from thedarkknight77:

    Have you been drinking again Iceman?

    Not yet. Getting ready to fire up the grill, drink some cold and chilies and hop in the pool

    We are baking at 100 degrees today

    Optimistic feelings on DR based on what I’m hearing here locally

    We shall see

    #42 11 days ago

    Or how about playing against a computer player even. I think Joust was a cool concept and linked NBAFB. Some thing to give a social environment without being social. But worked better than pinside.

    #43 11 days ago
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    #44 10 days ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    Sears has been in business since 1893. How's that working out?

    A s-l-o-w death

    #45 10 days ago

    Stern? Meh, I much rather play B/W games.

    #46 10 days ago

    JJP has been making arguably better pins in the sense of build quality, features, and code for years. Still, I don't think they pose a serious threat to Stern's overall business and you rarely see a JJP on location. When POTC was announced, it was supposed to be a dark night for Stern. LOL. Stern seems to be doing better than ever. Maybe not every pin sells well but they do move pins. Deeproot has been talking big but still have nothing to show while Stern keeps cranking out game after game. If someone can make a premium level pin for a pro price, then that might be something. I doubt that will happen though.

    #47 10 days ago

    Bring back sam or even whitestar and you will have awesome sterns again that will dominate once more. The golden era for them. Now they are toys for a gameroom and not for location. A friend is an operator and will never buy another new stern until the board set gets fixed.
    He cannot keep a new stern running reliably like the older sterns do. They used to be bullit proof.

    Older sterns are going up in value all the time. They were built like tanks. not so much anymore unfortunately. I love stern ..please bring back SAM!

    #48 10 days ago

    Ice makes good points. When I think of who I want to make a theme I’m interested in, the answer usually isn’t stern. They can make some amazing games, but they also churn out some real duds. It’s a crap shoot. Most of it related to code.

    #49 10 days ago
    Quoted from jawjaw:

    I don't think they pose a serious threat to Stern's overall business and you rarely see a JJP on location.

    They don't even post an unserious threat. I hope they continue to make pins and I'd like to buy one in the future so let get our big boy pants on and make something cool JJP still its a boutique company and poses in my opinion zero threat right now. What the hell is "DR" and what games are they making?

    #50 10 days ago
    Quoted from Buzz:

    how about playing against a computer player

    Alvin G Football and Soccerball did that.

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