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Quoted from pipes:Well AP, JJP and Spooky don't seem to be plagued by this for some reason.
Ur right they are plagued by so much more. 
There's plenty of pretentious pinball douchbagery at play here, if its not full of plastic toys and some kind of gooky new shot then its a rip off. I played some Wonka and Oktorberfest the other night, I'll take BK3 pro anytime. The other 2 look good and have lots of crap but that doesn't make them better pinball machines.
Quoted from FatPanda:They're the pop genre of pinball. They know that something works, and it makes them money, so they rinse and repeat, like what they play on Top 40 radio.
Crap
Quoted from PanzerFreak:If Stern wants to charge $9k+ for their games that's fine but they need to include multiple 3D molds (not flat plastics...JP, BKSWOR),
Garbage, ur generalizing like theres only one model. 
Quoted from loneacer:For me, a fun game starts with more than 2 flippers, more than 1 ramp, and a subway.
why would u do that? Ok theme I can see but setting a limit on the number of flippers/ramps and the need of a subway. 
Well this all kinda proves what ur dealing with on Pinside a lot of the time. Now I'll be deemed a Stern fanboy for this, just watch it will happen.
Quoted from pipes:See we differ greatly here because I'd take just the thought of owning a Wonka or Oktoberfest over actually owning a BK3.
Exactly.
Quoted from loneacer:To a teenager that had never seen the underside of a playfield before, I didn't know what just happened.
Ok well as a 5 year I could maybe see the wonder in the whole subway thing but as a teenager? The magic just wasn't there. 
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