Wages up, prices up. Good for income equality! We need to pay more support them

Despite PPP they got when taxes go back up for them in 2021 you can add another few hundred

The “BOM” isn’t what some people think it is.

Those people have a problem doing math. That’s why multipliers don’t make sense to them. Lol

It’s a LOT higher and includes MUCH more fixed overhead than it takes to make a pin just in variable costs alone

COGS is what some refer to as the BOM

Net profit margin is after ALL the other costs associated with running a company. Property, plant, equipment, insurance etc etc

You see how hard it is to make one pinball machine. Look at the millions Deeproot has squandered

You get to make a return on capital invested for the risk you take. Sorry, that’s how it goes. And, we don’t get to set pricing, they do. As long as demand is there it is what it is.

Stern has “cracked the code” has the demand, talent and assets to deliver great games that people want.

They win. For now

The difference with JJP pins is that the "get more for your $$$" does not translate into wanting to buy one.

You don't "get more" when it comes to code and fun factor. Those are two very BIG tangible aspects of actually playing pinball. That is why Stern is crushing it right now.

I paid $6500 for my WOZECLE, I just paid $9,000 for an Avengers LE. My Woz has a direct print Cab and toys galore. I'll play it once a month now because of the witch, crystal ball and Monkey mods by Steve G.

I was a JJP kool aid drinker from day one. Long before most of you guys were around here. It stopped at the Hobbit art redo that one particular expo that TBL came out.

And btw, the pf's dimple and chip as bad or worse and the toys, mechs, etc need adjusting/fixing as much. I know a route operator that swears by the durability of Stern pins over JJP, to the tune of 10's of thousands of more plays.

Operators also can't get a return on investment with a JJP pin versus a Stern pro.

Bottom line, add the THEME, CODE and FUN FACTOR into the mix and I'd happily buy another JJP game. So there is some marketing research for you Jack from a guy that will buy pinball machines and bought an early Woz.

Here's another difference, JJP creates absolutely ZERO FOMO.

The $12,500 CE is a non starter and people know they will re run the LE's and standards forever.

And there is virtually zero difference other than the artwork for all editions.

Take a page out of the Stern and Spooky playbook and learn FOMO.

We are talking about selling games here from the manufacturers side.

Why is Stern so successful and JJP not?

The reasons are well documented.

2nd, since I have an Elvira LE I have no idea what you are talking about drilling holes.

3rd, like I said, JJP can either take a page out of the Stern playbook IF they can even execute OR continue to suck hind tit

4th, I absolutely love Stern using me as an LE Guinea pig buyer. Zero problem with it

1000% make the LEs first. Smart business move. Lock in the biggest margins and the guys paying the most play first.

Finally, I agree about the Munsters LE raise, total BS move and don’t think you will see that again. Avengers LE would have been an easy raise to 750 but then they lose my sale and I’m sure many others

Now I recall someone mentioning that.

On my LE the Vuk fires the way it’s supposed to unless I’m missing something

I’ve had some minor issues but solid overall

I get it. Everyone’s priorities are different.

I’m just not going to miss out on a fun theme and great game because of a few things that don’t matter to me

Life is too short.

Politicians were never noble.

It's the getting old part that really has me rethinking a lot about what i worry about and what matters.

I think i'm going through a mid life crisis! I just want to play these games and then i'll move em on down the road later and not worry about taking a financial hit. Getting the "play value" is worth a LOT to me.

Like a dude without one. Lol