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Stern Pins Vs Williams


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    #101 4 years ago
    Quoted from yuriijos:

    Stern machines are not as robust as older Bally/Williams and a lot of people think they feel cheap. But where Stern has the edge is game code, depth, and fun. Stern pins grab you, take you for a ride , and leave you wanting more. There is just no comparison in my opinion and the reliability is great. Sure every pinball needs maintenance as things break, but Sterns just work and keep working.

    This is my first post --- After really comparing Stern games to Williams at Pinball Hall of Fame in Vegas, Stern games just always seem inferior, especially the newer games. Sure the game code is more complex, but the flow is never quite there. Especially with games like POTC, LOTR and TWD, it always seems like you can tell when you are playing a Stern because they play slower, and are usually a bit boring. Just my opinion of course, but I am not sure how people really like most Stern games...

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    #102 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    it always seems like you can tell when you are playing a Stern because they play slower

    Yeah, games like Tron, AC/DC, Star Trek, and Metallica are super slow......

    #103 4 years ago
    Quoted from markmon:

    What is a loop pass?

    This video on Corvette spells it out pretty well

    #104 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    This is my first post --- After really comparing Stern games to Williams at Pinball Hall of Fame in Vegas, Stern games just always seem inferior, especially the newer games. Sure the game code is more complex, but the flow is never quite there. Especially with games like POTC, LOTR and TWD, it always seems like you can tell when you are playing a Stern because they play slower, and are usually a bit boring. Just my opinion of course, but I am not sure how people really like most Stern games...

    My guess is the games at pinball hall of fame are just terribly maintained. Star Trek, Metallica, Tron, game of thrones, acdc, etc are all faster than anything Williams has. Set up right lotr is pretty fast. Potc is a completely unique game with no flow but it's attraction is its uniqueness.

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    #105 4 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    Yeah, games like Tron, AC/DC, Star Trek, and Metallica are super slow......

    There are a few exceptions like MET and Tron, though neither of those compare to the best Williams has produced. Compare Star Treks and IJ versions Stern vs Williams, Stern doesn't come close. Not to hate but there is too much unwarranted love around here for Stern.

    #106 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    Compare Star Treks versions Stern vs Williams, Stern doesn't come close.

    That's true.

    The Stern is 50x faster.

    #107 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    There are a few exceptions like MET and Tron, though neither of those compare to the best Williams has produced. Compare Star Treks and IJ versions Stern vs Williams, Stern doesn't come close. Not to hate but there is too much unwarranted love around here for Stern.

    Stern IJ vs Williams IJ is not exactly a fair comparison. Stern IJ is just not a good game and sold poorly. B/W had its fair share of duds too.

    #108 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    There are a few exceptions like MET and Tron, though neither of those compare to the best Williams has produced. Compare Star Treks and IJ versions Stern vs Williams, Stern doesn't come close. Not to hate but there is too much unwarranted love around here for Stern.

    Many more exceptions, IM, GOT's, Transformers, LOTR's, SM, AC/DC, TWD. Stern is a different style of pinball and thats a good thing, I wouldn't want the new games to simply mirror the best of the 90's DMD's. I love the B/W's stuff too but really enjoy the speed of the modern Sterns, with better sound and lighting effects they are highly immersive, I need all of it from Stargazer to Shadow to GOT and so on. JMO

    #109 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    There are a few exceptions like MET and Tron, though neither of those compare to the best Williams has produced.

    In what specific ways are you suggesting the games vid mentioned are inferior? In my humble opinion, they each have their good and bad quirks.

    #110 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    There are a few exceptions like MET and Tron, though neither of those compare to the best Williams has produced. Compare Star Treks and IJ versions Stern vs Williams, Stern doesn't come close. Not to hate but there is too much unwarranted love around here for Stern.

    That is one bad example and one good example, in my opinion. I prefer to play the Stern Star Trek and I could care less about Star Trek in it's own right. Both games are great.

    However, pointing out one of Stern's worst games in my opinion does nothing for this comparison. You might as well compare Stern IJ to Bally/Williams Harley-Davidson, Gilligan's Island, or Popeye if you want to be fair about "the worst"

    #111 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    it always seems like you can tell when you are playing a Stern because they play slower,

    Ever played Game of Thrones Pro? ST Pro? ACDC?

    You can say a lot of things against recent Stern pins but saying they play slower... no.

    #112 4 years ago
    Quoted from jlm33:

    Ever played Game of Thrones Pro? ST Pro? ACDC?
    You can say a lot of things against recent Stern pins but saying they play slower... no.

    No doubt...Stern games are not only faster but usually harder.

    #113 4 years ago

    I don't know...I guess set up all the same @ 6.5 degrees Sterns are typically faster. People here set them all with all sorts of slopes which kind of negates a games "speed."

    #114 4 years ago

    I like both and own both. I believe Williams has the better build quality. They feel like tanks. That being said the Sterns have more rule depth and more objectives to accomplish. That reason make them good in a home environment. There is nothing wrong with either. Im glad they are still being made.

    #115 4 years ago
    Quoted from nocreditdot:

    I believe Williams has the better build quality. They feel like tanks

    In what way?

    The same company that built all the Bally/Williams/Classic Stern/Chicago Coin cabinets still makes them to the same spec for Stern today.

    The specs remain the same; 3/4" thick plywood cab with loc-joints, 1/2" thick plywood playfield.

    Maybe the only difference is the metal reinforcements on the corners are better on modern Sterns.

    #116 4 years ago

    The noticeable difference in feel for me is the flippers. And I think I saw somewhere the SPIKE system uses parallel wound coils now, so maybe they won't feel that different anymore.

    #117 4 years ago
    Quoted from nocreditdot:

    I believe Williams has the better build quality. They feel like tanks.

    Quoted from vid1900:

    Maybe the only difference is the metal reinforcements on the corners are better on modern Sterns.

    I add two cinder blocks to the bottom of my new Stern cabs before a single game is played. Boom. Built like tanks.

    *Buy this mod for only $200. I got the patent from Rick*

    #118 4 years ago
    Quoted from pezpunk:

    Williams have more mechanisms and gadgets, and more elaborate playfields and theme integration. (Modern) Sterns have deeper rules. People can argue about things like flow and build quality but physical complexity vs software complexity are the starkest differences.

    Well stated.

    Also with STTNG specifically it is a wide body so even though the shots have flow it might not seem as fast paced do to return time to flippers. The modes in game are super fun and it has a nice shot map. Very well themed game. Right up there with IJ and TAF IMO.

    I have been warned against classic sterns by the old timer operators for years. But modern stern and B/W both amazing games just a little different feel in gameplay.

    #119 4 years ago

    B/W fun and game experience just last longer in my gameroom. LOTR is the only Stern that has made it past 6 months. IM, SM, TRON, and Sopranos were fun for a while but they all hit the wall and had to go. TZ-5 years, IJ- 4 years, WH20 - 4 years AFM- 2.5 years, and BSD -1 year all just keep bringing me back for more. Newer Sterns like TWD, GOT and MET are fun and i have thought about getting TWD but have to replace something due to space issues and can't seem to do it. As far as speed a super fast game is no good if the shots are not fun and the theme / call outs are just ok. B/W call outs and themes are in general just better.

    #120 4 years ago

    Sterns new ST is a hit and fast flowing pin, also like the wide body by Williams as well.

    #121 4 years ago

    I've owned this twice, and the game simply just comes down to a single shot, the middle. Over and over and over and over ...

    That and trying to stack 5x with multi ball.

    Great game, don't get me wrong. Gorgeous, flows well, music is great, humour, etc.

    I just don't see how it is in the top 20, and TWD Pro is ranked 97th. But opinions are like ... well, you know what I mean.

    #122 4 years ago

    Smoke, WH2O is way more than one shot up the middle. Wet Willy's requires you to make 7 shots to advance. The left/right right loops need to be hit when lit. The left ramp needs to be hit instead of up the middle to set up your multiball 5x. Also big foot cave white target shots and red kick back targets . Also gold rush and extra ball tough shots and river targets. Pop bumper shot to move whirlpool lights. Not to mention the 2 up top shots . All these shots and more are required to get to Vacation Jackpot. TWD should be in the top 20 i agree but WH2O should be there too.

    #123 4 years ago
    Quoted from wolfy:

    shots and more are required to get to Vacation Jackpot

    Oh, I know. Been there many times. It all came down to advancing the RIVER letters, every time. Middle shot, upper play field, down to the inlane to spot a light ... repeat ad nauseam.

    If the software allowed completed RIVER levels to carry over to the next ball, it would have avoided a lot of the tedious nature of the game.

    #124 4 years ago
    Quoted from smokedog:

    If the software allowed completed RIVER levels to carry over to the next ball, it would have avoided a lot of the tedious nature of the game.

    That would be too easy.

    You have to pass the ball between the flippers up the inlanes to quickly make the river.

    #125 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    There are a few exceptions like MET and Tron, though neither of those compare to the best Williams has produced. Compare Star Treks and IJ versions Stern vs Williams, Stern doesn't come close. Not to hate but there is too much unwarranted love around here for Stern.

    Lol I'm sure we would all LOVE to play the next Bally/Williams new release! Let us know when you think that will be.

    #126 4 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    That would be too easy.

    It was the only game I owned that my girlfriend would not play with me. "I hate standing and watching you play for 45 minutes".

    She much prefers watching me get kicked in the nuts by TWD.

    #127 4 years ago
    Quoted from smassa:

    Lol I'm sure we would all LOVE to play the next Bally/Williams new release! Let us know when you think that will be.

    Next month.. GB Ex Bally/Williams designer and Ex Bally/Williams programmer

    #128 4 years ago
    Quoted from ZombiePartie:

    There are a few exceptions like MET and Tron, though neither of those compare to the best Williams has produced. Compare Star Treks and IJ versions Stern vs Williams, Stern doesn't come close. Not to hate but there is too much unwarranted love around here for Stern.

    You need to wake up and smell the roses my friend!

    WMS abandoned pinball because they saw bigger money in gambling. They changed from being a GREAT company to a predatory company IMO.

    Stern have stuck to pinball and most of their later machines are better than brilliant, again - IMO.

    For you to even suggest late model Stern machines "play slowly" is simply absurd and proves you are either a "plant" or just a scummy troll - there is no doubt.

    There seems to be "too much unwarranted HATE for Stern around here" - but only by a few such as yourself.

    Are you sure you don't work for JJP????

    #129 4 years ago

    I really like what Stern brings to the table (some Art packages aside).
    I also really like what B/W put out in the past. (I also like my DE - curveball)!
    Funny thing is, whenever I throw a staff party, the only games that get repeated plays are my METLE and ACDC. My boys (8,6), always gravitate to the Stern pins as well?! Maybe they like the lights? Either way, I have sold many games but they won't let me lose the Sterns)!

    Either way, I think it's comparing apples to apples. I love them both as they are both pinballs

    #130 4 years ago
    Quoted from smokedog:

    If the software allowed completed RIVER levels to carry over to the next ball, it would have avoided a lot of the tedious nature of the game.

    IT DOES by getting the hold bonus.

    #131 4 years ago

    Guess I like both.

    After owning 18 games I've narrowed down to four I really like (not that it won't change in the future) 2 Williams and 2 Sterns.

    #132 4 years ago

    I like unique pins. Ones that aren't based upon a movie or band. Ones that had a creative theme and design.

    Some of those pins are the system 11 pins. Newer sterns are blah to me. Not into modes. Just into beating my old high score.

    #133 4 years ago

    Well put Blackbeard

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