i'm sure it works just as shitty as JJPs and PDI's.

If the glass worked as it was designed and intended, I wouldnt' have a problem with it. Unfortunately it does not. Backglass and DMD glare is still there. In fact. I had someone over today. Told him I had invisiglass in one of my games. He couldn't even tell which one had it. Even said, there is no way he would have known any of my games had it if I didn't point it out. That's what a waste of money it is.

that's true, but when it was designed, it was designed to eliminate display and backglass glare. Thats what it's sole purpose was suppose to do. That's what it was advertised as doing. It failed on all those accounts, with a high price tag.

bullshit. Remember when PDI was experimenting with it and developing it? on RGP? This is exactly the way it was advertised. "will Eliminate backglass and display glare". That was the sole purpose of it's development. Then after it didn't work as they intended, they started changing and downplaying it's ability to do it's job, yet keep the insane price.

why don't you buy your glass from Terry? he's $25-30 a sheet.

i'm talking about the development process when you guys were working on it. There was lots of talk about the expectations on how well it was going to perform and performance/price comparisons. Does it reduce the glare sure. but about 20% for backbox/display. Probably 75% for area room lighting. PDI is a little better than JJP's. Does it warrant a 1000% price point over standard glass. meh.

and if it was say..double of normal glass. $60 a sheet or so. Sure. slight improvement over standard glass would be worth the double price. or close to it. But the huge cost over standard glass you have to start to weigh the cost over how much of an improvement it really is. People act like it's gods gift to glass, and that is just straight up misleading. in a brightly lit room or if it the machine was sitting in a supermarket or target, sure it's going to look impressive. But when you start looking at the actual things you need it for, the difference is slight.

how are people going to spot the difference between both brands, when people can't even spot the difference between anti glare glass and normal glass here?

nope it's full JJP glass. My room is lit by a standard ceiling fan in the center of the room.

I just state my points, because a lot of you guys talk it up so much, that other people that do not know better, will have extremely high expectations. And going in at the cost it is, should have the realization on what it does and does not do. For me, I was highly disappointed because it underperformed drastically. Especially with the price associated with it.

Dan is not a stranger to pinball. he is fully knows pinball inside and out. His show is the Midwest Gaming Classic. And if he has trouble telling the difference on a game standing practically right next to him. It's not just me that thinks you guys overblow this shit out of proportions.

i wouldn't put a florescent directly above. Nobody should have lighting directly above machine. Have just normal ceiling lighting offset in the middle of the room. that's more realistic to what most people have in their gamerooms. That way you can see if there is really is that much of a difference with standard room lighting.

this doesn't show anything of what actually matters. Need to compare side by side with the games on and show the display and backglass regions. Then you see the difference on how much of the stuff that matters is blocked out.

that's what these anti glare glasses do. They are good at blocking out room lighting, but not that great at blocking out the shit that matters like DMD and backglass glare. That pic is pretty accurate to what anti glare glass actually does.

I still like how they try to use overhead florescent lighting to prove the point. Nobody has that shit in their gameroom. And nobody certainly has it right above their games. Notice how there isn't any pics of the DMD and backbox glare? Irritates me, that the shit people should actually be concerned about, are never used in the promo pics.

and there are plenty of people who set up their shit exactly like that. So that would be a practical comparison for this group.

might want to block out that window. Those reds in BSD are pretty nice. Orbitor with the hood up? broken?

I only really bitch about the price point. So either the performance has to drastically increase to meet it's current price point, or the cost has to drastically reduce to match it's performance level. Once those two are aligned. All will be well.

I got mine for $150,and I felt ripped off.

this is a perfect example on how well JJP/PDI glass works in real life. really think the difference is way over the top like some people seem to spout out. This is a perfect picture of the differences. From players perspective, game on, like you would see it in a playing environment. Well done. now you can see why people at my house can't really tell.

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again, I don't think anyone is a chump that buys it. I just try to inform the ones thinking about buying it, that it's not as perfect as some say. Thats' all. because I listened to the guys that said it's so perfect. eliminates everything, can't even tell it's there. all the same shit.

So hearing all this shit. I had high expectations. Figured that for the price, it must be perfect. Backbox glare and DMD glare...GONE. Awesome. $300 is steep but if it works, might be worth it for some games. Awesome. Can't wait. half price sale on JJP. Even better. Lets give it a shot......install it...... :/ I was pissed the fawk off. Now if there were real people saying real things it actually did. I could have made a more informed decision. So you need both sides of the fence. I try to be a realist and show the new people who don't know, what it actually does and how it actually performs. Not this fairtale shit some of these guys do. So others don't feel they have been ripped off like I did.

So I repeat myself often. Yup, just like the guys that talk it up. Not everyone reads every thread. and not every newb that is looking into buying it reads every thread. So when people talk it up, I say the other side of the spectrum, so the person reading can make an informed decision. If they think it works good enough to justify the $300 price tag. So be it. but at least they went in knowing the full story.

I just have the invisiglass and most people I talked to, said PDI isn't that much different.

As for previous discussions years ago. I can't remember, it was being talked about in numerous threads on RGP back in those days during the developmental process. There was more than one thread discussing it and the expectations of it. You expect me to remember who said what and when back in the day before PDI glass even existed. I know there was one thread where people were experimenting with polerized film over DMD's, and the anti glass was talked about there, as well as many other threads. Some started out talking about cost, some were about performance and expectations. Anyone that was following those threads back in the day, knows it was talked about as eliminating DMD and backglass glare. Nobody talked about ambient room lighting, because that wasn't something people gave a shit about.

And seeing this stuff at shows, is very misleading. When you have K-mart style lighting, it looks great. Because the move obvious bright lights are reduced and you focus on that. But when you get it home where that kind of stuff usually isn't a problem, that's when you notice the stuff that you have problems with at home are still there. I have seen PDI and Invisiglass at shows, and they look impressive there, but there you are focusing at the lack of huge florescent lights being gone, and not about the DMD and BG reflections.

think that's just regular glass. All the sheets look normal. I've seen this video years ago. It's just standard tempered pinball glass. just showing how strong it is and what it really can take. As long as nothing hot or cold touches it, or you ting the edges. Really good examples of what glass really can take. Set it down on edge on concrete and many times it just bursts because of temp changes.

but it's not worth my time to go through RGP and look at all the threads we've talked about. It would be like going through an encyclopedia looking for specific sentences, without knowing the pages or volumes they were on. You remember reading it and talking about it when it happened, but try and find it years later. Not going to happen. There are plenty of us from RGP that were on there. Anyone that cared about the antiglare glass when it was in the developmental process, knows how it was boasted about and what it was initially designed to accomplish.

it was talked about before that. Discussed in depth, when it was being developed and worked on like the polerizing film. There are way more threads than that one talking about it.

the video looks like it. reflective as all shit.

As far as discussion, it was when people were talking about having it made. Through tests on sections they tested, they were hoping for all glare to be eliminated. Might not have been you. There was others trying to develop it , with the polerizing film.

i'm not blaming. i'm just saying from following the initial design, ramped up expectations, which seemed to justify the price they said it would cost to make. When it didn't reach those expectations, those of us that heard about what it was suppose to do and failed, were highly disappointed. that's all i'm saying.

any game I have that has bulbs in the backbox. I pull out all of them except 6-8 of them. Space them out so I have even distribution of light. most people don't even know 80% of the bulbs are gone. For tube games, I get the LED panel, but modify it so you can dim both the color changing and the white. Reduce it down to about 10-20 % makes a world of difference.

same. Nobody knows it's there until you point it out.

whoa, does that look like shit. Better sell that game. With that gaudy piece of plastic on there. Stands out like a sore thumb.

notice: you probably should have circled it in red in photoshop because most people won't be able to see it in the pic.

guess it depends on how your gameroom is. For me, the DMD and backbox glare is the only glare I have. Room lighting is always in the center so it never gives me glare on my glass. The games themselves are the only issues, and reduced bulbs in the backbox and the $7 bent plastic cures that. couldn't be a cheaper resolution.

if you put a strip of scotch tape along the guard and the H channel, keeps it from falling off or dropping into the game when you pull the glass off.

It always has been the best option. Better not only because it's 1000x's cheaper, but because it actually works.