Well since Williams decided to shut its Pinball division we really dont have many other choices now do we? Ive had my share of both BWM's pins & Sterns and yes I'd agree that multiballs on the early 90's machines were probably coded better but Stern has put out some pretty nice games over the past few years. You can continue to support a company that turned its back on you or try to support the company thats still making us games to play. They might give us dud's from time to time but hasnt every company???

And there would be no AC/DC.....the rest of their games could have been turds for all I care but they nailed this one!!!

POTC is the anti AFM (flow style) pin. You simply bought the wrong Stern in Xmen. Try SM if your son likes superhero theme's or pick up a ACDC Premium if you want a complex & innovative ruleset.

The ACDC Premium on location in town is kicking ass. Ive had pretty much every "a" list title Willaims & still love them & will be adding another AFM soon but if I had to only have one pin they would all be out the door in favor of a Stern. To say that some of the better recent stern's "arent good" Isnt giving them their due credit. Most were Designed & Programmed by the same people who you are giving sooo much credit to for all those great 90's pins.

Let me guess you played it what? 3 or 4 games? Was it a Pro or LE?

The people who usually bash ACDC have either not played it or only played it a few times. I remember when I had a couple local friends over the 1st time playing it they were getting their ass handed to them by the game. After a few more games & getting a feel for the shots thats all they wanted to play.

Ok then what your saying is youre just not very good.....

Ok I guess you played a Pro. The Premium/LE isnt cheap at all.

Too each their own I guess. Luckily for us they make so many different games. Just going by the comments from some of the better known tournament players though ACDC has been extremely well received.

I guess thats what I like about it. If I figure out the games rules after 1 play its too simple. I totally understand where youre coming from when you say ACDC it maybe to complex at 1st for the new player but if they are willing to put some time in on it they will start to get a general idea of what to do.

Bell Super Jackpot with 3x running in any of the Multiballs.

I guess you need to play it more if you dont know how.

Not really....Just collect all the jackpots for each MB (Jam, Album, or Tour). Once all have been collected the Cannon is lit for the total of all Jackpots collected & nailing the bell will give you said total as a Super Jackpot. It obviously pays to have either 2x or 3x running while collecting jackpots & definitely want it lit when shooting for the super!!!

Ok with that statement you just lost all if any credibility you had. You have Xmen LE rated at over a 9 & you think ACDC had horrible code???

Someone put a bullet in the side of this threads head pleaseeeeee!!!!

While I agree that games should be shipped more complete you have to remember we live in a different world now where as updating things is a hell of a lot easier then it was before.

Ya think? They were also a small division of a larger company. Nobody is forcing anyone to preorder anything. If you don't like it just wait till the game is out and buy it then. Or I guess you can just wait for the next Bally/Williams pin to come out & buy one from them???

It tells you right on the instruction card how to start each Multiball on ACDC. If you can't take a minute to read it I don't know what else to say.

Couldnt disagree with this more. Ive said this many times that the genius of the code is the combination of the high risk layout (maybe somewhat simple) that Stevie gave us with ACDC. The bell was a great idea as well as the Jukebox, Both Steve's idea. Lets say you tried to use ACDC's code on a supposed better layout like SM.....The risk/reward factor would be gone & it wouldn't be nearly as big a rush or a stressful when you have a 70-80 mil S.J. built up.

Lyman should get a ton of credit & rightfully so, but it was the team effort that gave us such a great game.

Im curious, what are the glaring design issues you speak of?

Basing a game off location pins to me is never a good idea. Id say the vast majority out there are set up or maintained poorly. There are exceptions to the rule but I never judge a pin based solely off a location example.

While I agree the code is probably some of the best & most creative ever written I also feel the brutal nature of the layout which punishes missed or poorly planned shots is what makes it so enjoyable. If it was easier it wouldnt be as much fun.

I gave you facts you just chose to ignore them.....If the game is set up correctly SDTM from pops isnt an issue....and there is always the super skill shot which you obviously dont know about or didnt acknowledge.

Your from Canada nobody asked you.......