Ha Ha Ha.

Wanna bet on that one ?

Stern pinball machines out of the box for me ( ending with BDK, I can't speak first hand for the models after that ) was far better than Williams.

And Stern has their tech support beat too. ( in comparison then and now, I know you can't get tech support from Williams any longer )

And Stern has made some really great games like TSPP, LOTR, and SM, during the worst market ever for pinball. Williams has it's share of lemons during a time when things were much better.

LTG : )

Lets see. They closed the pinball division, Williams/Atari, Williams/Midway, Touch Screen division, etc. etc.

And times were better in coin op for all those and were dumped to make slot machines.

Nothing amazing about it. It would cost a fortune to start up the pinball part again and lose a lot of money with mediocre sales and face the wrath of the stock holders.

And no sense looking back when you are making a lot of money on something else.

LTG : )

Even though I was a test operator for Lieberman Music Co. for 19 years, yes, my experienced differed.

LTG : )

Then you should have stated that in your original post. And not included things that would bring an OP to challenge.

LTG : )

I am curious about this.

I don't doubt you or anything, just wondering what is going on in these competitions.

Take a look at the top players in pinball, and most are older and grew up playing Williams pins.

Switch to a new pin, and you have to learn the game.

If I were playing a game for 20 years, and another one for a couple years. I know which one I'd want to compete on. And Williams pins have been on the street for many years, while the newest Stern pins hardly get on location anymore.

So my question to you is what do you think the typical age of you and the players you compete against is. Is it younger and newer players or older.

I'm just trying to understand if there is something else going on besides manufacturer, like familiarity.

LTG : )

That was my favorite part.

LTG : )

That would be second largest, for awhile.

LTG : )

So you do care about my personal opinion.

Well that would be me thinking, why would someone post, on a public forum, where responses can come from many different individuals, yet want canned responses so their position seems sound ?

LTG : )

Why should they ?

You can only beat your head against a wall for so long and then you have to make changes.

LTG : )

The exception to the rule, and great for the locals.

Gary says a lot. Is it always accurate ?

LTG : )

I can't speak for other ops or areas.

It is a tough market out there right now for coin op.

LTG : )

Kurt Cobain.

LTG : )

To be fair now, he did say if he had trouble with a machine he would IM me.

Now I don't know why he'd want to Iron Man me, but I'm waiting patiently.

LTG : )