If you're going to post pictures to prove your argument, you'd better have one from JPP's demo.

And they had better be at start time for both. Otherwise, you're spitting out inflammatory remarks with no fair comparison.

Sounds like you were pretty close to pulling the trigger eh?

Look, you love to piss & moan aboot Stern all day, I get it and shit I don't even disagree with you. Just don't come here and act like you have some fucking pennies jingling in your pocket outside the Star Wars store and then POTC came around and talked you out of it.

None of us think that was going to happen anytime soon and not retroactively with SW so just stop it please.

Well, it looks like the next release of "Stern of the Union" had better be a blockbuster accompanied by a code release.

Well, the first one did.

Star wars was a theme i was waiting for and stern just completely ruined it (in my view). I typically buy nib only 10+months in with stern. I dont believe i have contradicted myself at all.

Stern dumbed down sw to dismall levels and expected us to pay premium dollars. I was fighting qith myself for a while and just told myself eventually that i was not going to give in to this type of bs.

I was hoping at first that there ghosting issues would be resolved but they are obviously not. I was also waiting on the prem le video that came out much later which was very underwhelming to me...especially the cracking egg that didnt even light up.

Yes I piss and moan about Stern all the time when i feel its warranted (which is always lol). But dont you worry ill be very content with my new purchase and stern can keep on kicking their can down the road.

If stern fixes their shit and come up with a worthy game with gotg i might be in if i have the funds for that but with this new purchase at the moment im tapped out. So it will be either HUO or NIB further down the road pending JJP doesnt release a better game with Toy Story.

Now please stay out of my finances...god knows i already have my wife to worry about

That's what I thought at first, but the more I've played it (at a fiend's house and on location), it has really impressed me, especially with the new code update.

Yup. To each is own really. Everytime i would look at star wars i would ask myself if trading a game was worth it. Last night for me i didnt flinch at trading up 2. The theme and explaination of gameplay and esthetics of the game alone sold me. Ive rewatched the gameplay twice today and my mind hasnt change

I'm not comparing the two. Pirates looks great.

Just saying Star Wars initial impressions changed for me.

Of course. I really wasnt arguing that. Just talking from my point of view thats all.

Stern’s commitment to quality, and to their customers, is questionable on several levels. But they have nothing to be ashamed of with Star Wars. I own most of the pinside top 20, and Star Wars is the family favorite. I have to admit that it takes a couple weeks of playing it, fine tuning it, learning the rules and strategy. But owners would agree, it’s a game that (more than any other) makes you play one more.

Because there is absolutely no comparison.

But really - they had no updates really, and everybody knew it,
So this is the result ..

They've been malnourished for a long time. AWOL is to be expected.

Wait a min. Stern was at Expo?

I remember they showed off the Vault edition of Batman 66.

Hey Stern. PLAY BETTER!

His justification is the only one needed.

So, we must be due the November monthly update soon?

Are the code updates for KISS, AS and GB any closer?

Eagerly awaiting info on Aerosmith and GB code.
But not really expecting much.
Surprise us Stern. Give us some tidbits of what is being worked on please.

Well, at least TECHNICALLY they're closer, due to time and all.

I thought these updates were going to be monthly?

Until Stern shows they can even give routine timely updates on the STATUS of anything they are working on this “Stern of the Union” thing is a joke.

Drink the Kool-Aid if you want but Stern is gonna do things their way and until it hurts profits it probably is not gonna change.

It went the way of the commitment to code updates

They did one in October - they have until the end of November to keep “monthly” a thing, right? Or did they say they’d do it on the first Monday of the month or something?

Could be right.

I was thinking every 30 days but calendar month would mean anytime in November.

http://www.sternpinball.com/community/stern-of-the-union-address-november-2017

First Tuesday of the month...

http://www.sternpinball.com/community/stern-of-the-union-address-november-2017

Status of Code:

We are continuously working to update and improve software for our machines. There are always code updates and bug fixes in various stages of development; as usual we will release them as soon as possible. Here are some of the latest updates and status of things in the works:

Star Wars – The team has outlined a path to 1.0 final code with the hopes of release early December. In addition to bug fixes, score balancing and additional speech, here’s a sneak peek at some of the content we have planned:
Escape from Hoth, Escape from Tatooine, Battle above Endor will get polish and rule enhancements with some cool added effects
Depending on which character you select, the heroes will receive additional perks with Leia’s bonus increasing all scoring in the 4th missions, Han’s bonus increasing the timer to last longer during the Escape from Boba Fett mode and Luke’s bonus adding a higher scoring opportunity in the Light Saber Duel mode.
Batman ’66 – The dedicated programming team also has outlined a plan for code updates with releases scheduled around Thanksgiving and an additional update around the New Year. Be on the lookout for a teaser pic soon showing some things in the works involving the minor villain mode implementation; some very unique and innovative rules!
Ghostbusters – With Star Wars coming to completion soon, we will be focusing on a final update for Ghostbusters.
Aerosmith – Aerosmith will be getting a little more polish.
KISS – KISS code will have a final update in the future as well.
If you do encounter any bugs please feel free to provide information to [email protected]

November update is up! First Tuesday of every month according to Stern

http://www.sternpinball.com/community/stern-of-the-union-address-november-2017

Edit: Oops, just saw the other two posts, lol.

more steps in the right direction. Nice job Stern!

I do like they are trying. But this ship has sailed for me. I will only buy complete coded games from stern. But glad to see. ThAts the nice thing about more than one pinball company on the block keeps stern honest.

Sorry Batman owners.

Why? I'm thrilled, thanksgiving and xmas code coming.

"Be on the lookout for a teaser pic soon showing some things in the works involving the minor villain mode implementation; some very unique and innovative rules!"

Emphasis on unique and innovative

Yeah I don’t get your comment either, the last 10 months haven’t been great but now we have code coming with more scheduled finally some light at the end of this tunnel.

Genuinely excited to see what lyman has planned for the minor villains, very unique and innovative code is a bold claim but if anyone can back it up and deliver the goods it’s Lyman.

Sorry that you have waited over a year for decent code. It’s just ridiculous given the premium for the game.

Bravo Stern for keeping up with your word for the first time I've seen. We may all be in the once bitten twice shy camp but this is definitely showing steps taken in the right direction. Keep up the transparent communication and honesty while continuing to make kick ass games and the sins of the past will soon be mended.

Novembers update reminds me of Octobers update.

To be fair I'd bitch no matter what. Considering my Horde insert isnt programmed & Aerosmith doesnt have a skillshot or programmed smart button.

??? If you've got a pro, it's programmed in. Mine lights up whenever Horde mode is ready to start.

Ya I meant Woodbury should light when Horde is ready since you have to make the Wodbury shot to start it.

IMO

Would be nice to have LMS insert remain lit after beating the mode too. Only done it once, but since TWD code wasn't mentioned ...

Wait...I guess I have not been following along, STERN ARMY?!?
Is that a thing people actually join, I just thought it was a generic term for those who liked stern.

Private Joe Schmoo out of Biloxi Mississippi? Ha!

TWD code is done. You won't see any more updates for it. Be hopeful they update the last 5 games before moving on like they said they will.

TWD code is not done. There are bugs to be fixed including a non-lighting insert.

That may very well be, but my guess is it's DONE according to STERN/Lyman...

I had a dream last night,the dream was about code updates! Maybe down the road,Stern,and others,will offer code upgrades that do different things! You will then BUY any upgrade you wish! Mix them, match them up different ways,for different plays! Constantly changing! Constantly charging,and adding Mods with different updates! Can't you see this happening???Stay tuned to this channel!!

I think it speaks volumes that they're talking about final updates for Star Wars already, given how bare bones it is; Ghostbusters, which retains a lot of omissions and bugs, doubt all will be fixed, especially with implementation of wizard mode; KISS (which originally they promised a total rewrite of).

No mention of the many bug fixes needed for other titles. Star Trek was supposed to be being worked on over a year ago, and really needs fixes, some of which are game breaking. Even Metallica, with the most complete code on a Stern after TSPP, had quite a long bug list after 1.70 came out. TWD still has them. AC/DC still has them.

Entirely Stern's prerogative as to when they consider something feature complete (and incumbent on buyer to be cautious / cognisant of this), but it absolutely STINKS that they don't aim to provide bug fix updates as long as bugs exist.

Over 4 years after WOZ launched, and many, many updates later, JJP are still providing bug fixes and minor improvements. All the companies in the market should be doing this.

This type of language just lets Stern off the hook for what are some significant bugs and yet a small amount of additional work, and Stern definitely reads Pinside. Let's try to set the bar higher, not lower.

not what I have been told.

Agree with most of what you said, except this. Star Wars code is actually pretty damn good at 0.93. This upcoming 1.0 update sounds even better. If you mean to say that you feel the playfield on its own is bare bones, I can certainly understand that sentiment, but code as-is is certainly a solid effort thus far, in my opinion.

Nonsense. You don’t have to like SW, but your continuous statements that SW code is “bare bones” makes me question whether you’ve even played it.

I agree w/Rubberducks.

Stern words things as if they're bailing on code.