(Topic ID: 194604)

Stern NEW policy - GHOSTING IS NORMAL....OR IS IT?

By capguntrooper

6 years ago


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“Are Cloudy inserts, stress cracks and GHOSTING often seen on NIB pins and should that be normal?”

  • NO WAY ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! 601 votes
    77%
  • YES, ghosting is often seen on NIB pins and is normal. 45 votes
    6%
  • I don't care I am never buying a NIB from STERN again 135 votes
    17%

(Multiple choice - 781 votes by 755 Pinsiders)

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#29 6 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

If your going to vote at least post in relation to your vote.
I voted NO, simple reason I have had games 20-30 years old with no ghosting and a lot of those had incandescent lamps under them and where ex route games so at some point those inserts got hot while the playfields got played hard. I have had a lot of older Sterns with no ghosting. Now recently its become a normal regular occurrence

Plastic inserts all have crazing,on older pins it was less noticable cause they had old skool bulbs.
Nowerdays these bright leds illuminate the stress cracks in the plastic..

And don't forget,the clear coat nowerdays is not the same quality clearcoat as 30 years ago,because people died inhaling that paint..
It sadly was way better clearcoat though...the proof?
No ghosting on the old skool pins.

I will never buy nib Stern again after the ghostbusters LE i bought...but just saying,if you were Stern you'd do the same...make it "clear" it in the warranty section.

Apparantly clearcoating is real difficult?
Else they'd use a different method?
But it's better than NO clearcoat like Gottlieb did...then your playfield graphics would come off..

Come on,let's talk about fun stuff.

#35 6 years ago
Quoted from stumptown:

There were some thin spots in the topcoat on my van around edges and in little nooks and crannies when I bought it, better take that shit back to the dealer and throw a tantrum right? Nah. It's a mode of transportation that's going to be out on the road getting crap thrown at it all the time, not an art object.
A pinball machine is a big mess of electronics and mechanical devices designed to throw ball bearings around its insides at high speeds, which is inevitably going to cause some damage. Designed to sit in a bar and take abuse and make money, which they do even if every insert looked a little funny around the edges. Minor cosmetic defects from variations in manufacturing are a problem for people with way too much time on their hands and/or who are into pinball for the wrong reasons to worry about. It doesn't matter now, and it's not going to matter years down the road when these things have thousands of plays on them and normal wear and tear has made the ghosting look like... The non-issue it always was. Pinball machines are not an investment class. They are not fine art. They are mass produced interactive furniture for commercial applications.

Yeah,totally agree..
I get how everybody feels about that warranty sentence though.
Bit nasty.
But pinballs are build to make money and be beaten up,and they serve that purpose well..
Compare it to this:
If you have a nightmare on elm street,chances are,the playfield is bare wood at the flipper bat area.
Don't compare it to B/W:
Bally/Williams was a high quality company,they are gone and nothing today beats their quality guys...sad but true.

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