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Stern NEW policy - GHOSTING IS NORMAL....OR IS IT?

By capguntrooper

6 years ago


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“Are Cloudy inserts, stress cracks and GHOSTING often seen on NIB pins and should that be normal?”

  • NO WAY ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! 601 votes
    77%
  • YES, ghosting is often seen on NIB pins and is normal. 45 votes
    6%
  • I don't care I am never buying a NIB from STERN again 135 votes
    17%

(Multiple choice - 781 votes by 755 Pinsiders)

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#49 6 years ago
Quoted from capguntrooper:

Do not forget that code may be rewritten to accommodate hardware deficiencies.

Great idea!

Imagine there being new rules that have a voice saying

"Shoot the chipped insert target!"

or

"Light the ghosted insert target!"

There could be an adjustment in the settings that Stern provides. You'd enable "My playfield is chipped" or "My playfield has ghosted inserts". You'd only get these special callouts when you enable this... or maybe it should be enabled by default.

#225 6 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

How much could they possibly have saved?

I don't think anyone really knows.

I'll toss this out there with zero supporting data. Perhaps it's to keep their assembly lines moving. Stern loses money if their assembly lines aren't making pins. Maybe Stern decides to "accelerate" the playfield process (drying time before the clear, drying after after the clear, etc) in order to ensure the assembly lines have work to do. Just a guess

#366 6 years ago
Quoted from PinballAlley:

... As a dealer we are just informed of this change. We were also assured that nothing would change as far as Stern standing behind their product. ...

Can you clarify exactly what Stern informed you of?

I'm interested to know what they have communicated to distributors...

#610 6 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

This isn't a thread about features, it's a thread about build quality and DE/Sega/Stern games have *always been lower quality*. Always. The games themselves got better but they've always been as cheaply made as possible. The one Stern I have is probably one of their best efforts but it's still flimsy compared to my B/W games.

I own one Stern. The highly underrated RBION. It is built very well and the quality is quite BW like.

I cannot comment on others

#631 6 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

2 playfields ghosted and 1 playfield warped.
This is on 3 different machines.

And that's just a raw playfield replacement or a populated playfield?

#654 6 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

B/W games absolutely BLOW from a SOUND and LIGHTING perspective compared to the pins today.
So, while i love mine, i don't play them nearly as much because of the above.
So you guys can take those tanks and shove it. Nobody cares.
I don't give a F what the inserts look like (CV, Totan, etc.) I want NEW stuff. Knock yourselves out.

Kind of an abrasive post

4 weeks later
#752 6 years ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

It's not a new thing. It's not a stern thing. it will happen to the other brands as well. If it has clearcoat, it can happen.
Hate ghosting? Buy early SS or EM's that are not clearcoated. Problem solved.

I only down voted this because it's not as black and white. But yes, it can happen. The obvious response is that it never happened this quickly (years and years under routed conditions vs weeks in home) or, in many cases, never at all.

My HUO RBION (Stern 2004) is ghost free as well as the vast majority of my WPC pins. With that said, I've certainly seen light ghosting on 25 year old WPC games.

#761 6 years ago

ExtremePinball you attributed a quote to me that I didn't write. Please correct....

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