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STERN- Make a real Back to the Future pinball machine.

By shacklersrevenge

10 months ago

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    #22 10 months ago

    BTTF is an instant buy from me, don’t care who makes it as long as it’s fun and does the theme justice I’ll be in line for one.

    #24 10 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    It's a rare vintage franchise where all the main principals are still alive and, for the most part, underemployed. I'm sure it wouldn't be too tough to get say, Chris Lloyd and Biff on board for some original speech.

    Doubt it would be hard to get MJF on board, you probably know better than I do Levi but wasn’t the real reason he wasn’t on the DE game due to contract negotiations at the time and his management rather than him?

    Could also put a percentage of sales to his Foundation, he seems to be very keen to support that anyway he can, Pepsi, Nike etc

    #53 10 months ago

    Just finished watching a BTTF documentary called Back in Time on Netflix reminds me why I love this franchise so much and how easily 88 SLE/Collectors Editions Stern/JJP could sell for stupid money.

    #55 10 months ago
    Quoted from BentleyBear:

    Any chance that Dennis Nordmans dream theme for Deeproot could be BTTF ?

    Sure someone said he stated it was unlicensed, I could be wrong, I can’t seem to find the post I recall reading now, will look for it later.

    #60 10 months ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    I live very close to the DeLorean company and the place where I get my cars inspected inspect their cars. He told me the other day that they are going to start building new ones. They will look just like the old ones but they will have a different engine.

    That doesn’t surprise me the price minty DeLoreans go for especially “BTTF” DeLoreans it would be mad not to build a few and capitalise. Make a BTTF Limited Edition

    BTTF3 was the least popular to most yet the DeLorean from the film sold for $600k I think and that was years ago at auction.

    #64 10 months ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    I liked the last one. I wish they would remake the movies with a modern flair. It could be awesome

    That will never happen Bob Gale has said multiple times on record, he wont allow BTTF to be remade, think his exact words at one convention where along the lines of "yeah I have been asked if a remake is an option, my response was over my dead f**king body that will happen"

    And Robert Zemeckis I believe is in complete agreement with him on the matter, honestly though I don't think it needs remaking it is truly timeless and imo one of if not the best trilogy ever put to film.

    #67 10 months ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    I liked the last one. I wish they would remake the movies with a modern flair. It could be awesome

    Just did a little google search to check I was correct and I am, nothing can happen until Bob Gale and Robert Zemeckis are dead, Zemeckis is on record as saying as much "That can't happen until both Bob (Gale) and I are dead. And then I'm sure they'll do it, unless there's a way our estates can stop it."

    Frank Marshall who was the producer on all 3 films is also against the originals being touched "Yeah [we won't reboot Back To The Future], as long as I have my say. No, that one exists just like E.T. -- we're never touching those. I love watching it".

    I also found out something pretty cool about Bob Gale today while watching a BTTF documentary, which gives you a really good idea of just how uncompromising Bob and Robert are, Bob was offered $75,000 back when they where making the first BTTF to use a Ford Mustang instead of a DeLorean by some exec to which his response was "Doc Brown doesn't drive a f**king mustang!"

    #71 10 months ago

    If any of you haven’t seen “Back in Time” I recommend watching it, I watched it when it first came out but was a little young to appreciate it, now I’m in the big 30s I certainly appreciated the insight into the franchise, also gives you a nice look at how they license and merchandise and the guy responsible is not a universal employee but a fan who’s now connected with Bob & Robert.

    #74 10 months ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    As much as I hate remakes, this one I'd be OK with. I'd love to watch a kid from today get stuck in the 80's. I'd feel like my dad did watching the original when it came out.

    You don’t need a remake for that man. I’ve done this with my 7 year old boy, he only really watches superhero films pretty much all he is interested in but he watched every BTTF from start to finish, he can’t make it all the way through Toy Story.

    He got excited at all the parts I did at his age like the first time you see the DeLoreon, first time it goes back to the future and leaves the fire trails, hoverboard scene in 2 he loved and wanted a hoverboard, there timeless besides there hasn’t been a remake of anything that’s better than the originals and most of those weren’t as good as BTTF to begin with.

    #77 10 months ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    I wouldn't say that. The reason III made less money than II was because it came out only 6 months after the 2nd one, and the bad taste of that film hurt Part III at the box office.

    I didn’t mean it was a bad film I love all 3 and while I was too young back when they where released in theatres I am aware that some didn’t like part 2 for various reasons (plot, need to know part 1, handling of Jennifer) but practically everyone I know chooses the 1st and 2nd as their favourite, I personally love the trippy back and forth time teravelling they do and the “dark” future plus as a kid the hoverboard and flying cars stick with you

    All 3 are amazing and would make a killer must buy!

    #78 10 months ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    You missed my point. I was talking about myself enjoying a modern kid getting stuck in the 80's.

    Yeah sorry I did miss that a little, probably because my son didn’t even realise or didn’t care I don’t know that the first is set in the 80s and not the present like all his other movies.

    He noticed a few things specifically asked about the TVs and why they are so chunky which made me laugh.

    I just don’t think a remake would capture the same magic/lighting in a bottle the originals managed. And remakes pretty much all suck balls would hate for BTTF to be tainted like other classics Robocop, Total Recall come to mind, although Kate Beckinsale and Jessica Biel in the same film was pretty damn good!

    #80 10 months ago
    Quoted from Psw757:

    Flux capacitor ball lock? 1.21 gigawatts

    I was thinking the same, 3 way ball lock that you have to complete before you can start modes? After all you can’t go back to the future without a flux capacitor

    Have it setup a little like Maiden so you can get your super pops, ramps, orbits etc powered up then lock to access modes.

    #86 10 months ago
    Quoted from Psw757:

    That would be pretty cool to integrate the spinner into the ball lock where it only takes the ball if it hits a certain speed or revolutions. Y shaped 3 ball lock that when released has some sort of nuclear fusion lighting effects.
    Forgot, I think the game needs the Libyan VW mini van as well, bash toy?

    Man if that’s possible with the spinner integration that would be great and demand a super clean fast shot which would add some challenge to an otherwise easy/simple lock, love that idea dude

    Could live without the bashtoy though got enough of those, maybe a clock tower turntable like BM66 but on a smaller scale, turns to show the face of the time period your in - think that’s what the zen pinball table does and it’s pretty neat.

    #96 10 months ago
    Quoted from Rondogg:

    I'm guessing every manufacturer has looked into BTTF.

    From what I’ve just found out they haven’t, only two companies have approached Universal and the licensing/product advisor for BTTF, those are Zen Pinball and VPCabs both of which have produced a product one in direct collaboration with MJF (Marty), Lloyd (Doc) and Thompson (Lorraine) I am amazed this licence hasn’t been locked in yet and in the pipeline at Stern or JJP!?

    #100 10 months ago
    Quoted from KozMckPinball:

    Would MJ Fox give licensing approval this time is the question.

    It wasn’t the fact he didn’t allow it last time, I believe the truth is something to do with him going through contract negotiations etc and it was his management that was the reason he didn’t make it onto Data East’s pin.

    He was involved with VPCabs BTTF themed version of their VP Wizard and Upright and if there’s involvement with his Parkinson’s Foundation he’s hopefully likely to be in!

    #102 10 months ago
    Quoted from patrickvc:

    Ah I was waiting for Odin to crash the party

    Yeah that’s about as predictable as people bitching about a Stern reveal

    #118 10 months ago
    Quoted from shacklersrevenge:

    Got to add my thoughts on the trilogy. The first one is epic, like GTFO if need be, the thing is a masterpiece that holds up with anything made today. From start to finish, the storyline is dare I say, flawless? There are so many nuances and details layered in that first film that when it all clicks together you just go ''whoa, that's heavy'' From the music, to the orange vest, to the nikes, to the skateboard, the car, the thing screams the middle of the 1980's, and you wouldn't have it any other way. The movie is a literal time machine back to 1985.
    Second one I really enjoy. A hot mess? Maybe, but it's still really good still. Come on, we get the cafe 80's, the hoverboard, the future Biff, the past Biff and the really past Biff with a future Biff? Damn that's a mind bender right there.
    It's a total swan song to the 80's while looking 30 years into the future. It's one of the top sequels for sure.
    Third one they lost me a little in the old west. I remember watching it again about 15 years ago and being embarrassed to even watch it. I've since watched it in recent years and really enjoyed it for what it is, though it gets a little goofy with the western Biff.
    Clara became too much a focal point and distraction, I find myself watching it wishing she'd just go away, things would have been easier lol. With that said, I'm glad the movie exists.
    So it definitely goes 1, 2 and 3.

    It’s always worth remembering BTTF took Bob and Robert 7 years to write and get onto film, I imagine in that time they re-wrote and tweaked a fair amount of things which is probably why it’s flawless.

    Robert & Bob also never planned for sequels which is why Marty, Jennifer and Doc all Drive off in the DeLorean at the end of the first film and they kinda dump her character in BTTF2, Bob has said they didn’t plan for a sequel and simply didn’t know what to do with her character.

    Anyway BTTF from their conception to film was like 7 years, BTTF 2 & 3 where then written (at the request of the studio) and filmed simultaneously which I believe they started on in late 85/early 86, with Part 2 being released in 89 so they wrote those in less than half the time, which in some ways makes the sequels superior, not necessarily better films but more of an achievement to have written those two so quickly and still turn out so good, but I love both sequels so I could be a little biased

    #121 10 months ago
    Quoted from shakenbake:

    It was great working with everyone on this project. Surprisingly I was approached by Universal and offered the BTTF license. How do you say no to that!! Based on my inside knowledge I would say that one could absolutely obtain this license for a mechanical pin.

    I have seen the photos (would you have any issues of those being posted in here for others to check out and enjoy?) it looks like a truely great experience, congratulations on the whole project man.

    Also really interesting to hear Universal approaches you, I know Universals BTTF product/merchandise consultant Stephan Clark (Pretty sure you must of dealt with him? Seems a very cool guy) owns a Data East BTTF and although he was aware of pinball in the 80s, he isn’t all too familiar with the current state/popularity of pinball.

    I was actually going to pm you but since you posted here I might as well ask, how did MJF, Christoper Lloyd and Lea Thompson get involved with the LE for The Michael J Fox Foundation?? Was that directly with you or done after you built
    That particular cabinet/upright for them?

    #123 10 months ago
    Quoted from adborto:

    This and Jaws! Stern - I’ll buy them both. I know a few people that would.

    +1 Zen pinballs JAWs layout is great! I would love to see that made into a physical pin just with different code as the modes in the Zen game kinda blow, but if the main playfield was able to tilt during specific modes like in Zens game that would be amazing plus it’s certainly a way for Stern to 1 UP JJPs pirates mini playfield.

    #126 10 months ago
    Quoted from shakenbake:

    I was connected with Stephen through my contact at Universal. He is a great guy.

    I have been speaking with Stephen about the possibilities of a modern commercial pin unfortunately from what he’s said so far no one other than yourself and Zen pinball has approached Universal

    Can you whisper JJP & Stern Pinball into your contacts hear maybe once a day for say the rest of the year

    #130 10 months ago
    Quoted from JimB:

    That's why you do 3 pins for all 3 movies, staggered so everyone gets ready to open up 3 spots in their game room. Why make one when you'll sell out all 3 immediately?

    Nah terrible idea, not everyone has the space for 3 pins based on one licence. JJP can certainly make epic pins based off multiple films - Hobbit/Pirates. Stern have also done well with that approach Ironman, Spider-Man it’s easily the best approach a Trilogy pin that changes sounds and LCD style with the modes/time your currently in.

    #131 10 months ago
    Quoted from jawjaw:

    I guess it would be cool. You could certainly bring in a lot of retro 80's goodness to appeal to guys my age. Problem with themes like BTTF is there is so much material and such high expectations, it would be tough to pull off. The whole time travel thing was great in movies but I don't see how you can capture that in pinball. It would just boil down to different modes for the different parts of the movie. Shot that ramp, shot the other ramp, hit some target, etc. It would just be like any other pin imo. If there was a heavy focus on the DeLorean, then that would be cool but probably be another license for that.

    The time travel aspects would need to be portrayed through the audio and video.

    Go back to the Wild West have old school bells and chimes, use drop targets to block the ramps off and maybe have a row off old school incandescents to light the game.

    Modes set in 55 & 85 have access back to the ramps but no use of diverters or magnets try to make it feel limited tech wise.

    Jumping into the future 2015 have all access to ramps maybe with diverters, magnets, magna save and the RGB lighting pay offs.

    The LCD could also be styled for each mode/film. Wild West have an old flip board/wooden notice board kinda style surrounding movie clips, 55/85 dmd style scoring would be great around the clips and then 2015 styled around the 2015 in the film around the lcd with clips.

    #136 10 months ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    When I think about some of the most recent pinball themes (Pirates, Dead Pool, Guardians, Alice Cooper, etc) I can't help to also think that a new Back to the Future pin would easily outsell all of them. A new BTTF pin should be an easy pick for any pinball company wanting to have a hit.

    I felt that way when JJP announced Pirates, I remember thinking “Pirates! Why!?” box office takings had rapidly declined come Pirates 4 and interest in the franchise was at an all time low, after Dialled In I was hoping for a mega licence to follow, BTTF would have ticked that box.

    #138 10 months ago
    Quoted from shakenbake:

    Feel free to post any pics. It was a great experience and a dream come true to meet the 3 of them.

    Here’s what I received from Stephen.

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    Hopefully if this title gets made (and soon!) it would be extremely cool for the LE/CE to come signed by the cast and a percentage of the money from each LE/CE sale goes to the MJF Foundation.

    #142 10 months ago
    Quoted from JimB:

    It’s that something they will sell?

    VPCabs sell the upright and a BTTF Virtual Pinball. I believe the signed LE in the photos above was a one off and auctioned off, but it shows what could potentially be done with the right deal in place and the right thought put into it, like involving MJF’s foundation etc

    #144 10 months ago

    Regardless who builds, if it ever gets done. What would people want to see in the game? Features? Mechs/toys? Displays? Sounds/music?

    I would love to see some of the following:

    • Flux Capacitor with physical ball lock
    • Hoverboard magna ball save during BTTF2 modes
    • Train track themed ball saves during BTTF3 modes
    • Kickbacks during BTTF1 modes
    • Revolving captive DeLoreon stack (think the car chase shot from demolition man but on a revolving mech to switch between a car from each film depending on time period your playing)
    • spinning clock tower mech (like batman66 turntable 4 faces - clock tower from BTTF1, 2, 3 and Biffs Casino for a nice Easter egg when playing in the alternate 1985, little details like having the clock face lit in 1955 modes before it’s struck by lighting
    • Jonny be good/enchantment under the sea mode in BTTF 1 & 2, BTTF1 mode would be directly effect the same mode in BTTF2, the order/the shots you made in BTTF1 unchanment mode would have to be avoided/wouldn’t be jackpots in the BTTF2 version of the mode, after all you have got to avoid your future/past self
    • cabinet armour and side rails would have to be stainless, with laser cut time circuitry so it looks like the DeLoreon, maybe have the time ciricut boards in the apron!?
    • small LCD built into signs for the mall so it can change between Twin Pines Mall and Lone Pine Mall.

    That’s all I have, but would obviously want to see things like the train from 3 incorporated, big speaker from 1, skateboard/hoverboard chases but the biggest question - how would you incorporate the fire tracks from the DeLoreon?? Lit ramps like TRONLE? Lit side rails/inners like STLE??

    #152 10 months ago
    Quoted from NPO:

    It's "DeLorean" !!!! Whew, as an owner, I about lost it seeing it misspelled 3 times ; ) ...!
    As far as the fire trails, I could see it being something similar to the drag strip in Corvette. Maybe LEDs that light up underneath the car as it is pulled up the PF... or maybe the car zooms super crazy fast up the PF - a la the Shadow - and the LEDs light up nearly instantaneously.
    Can you imagine a BTTF machine being made with all the toys/features you mentioned??? Dude, you'd practically be able to buy a DeLorean for the amount JJP or Stern would probably charge to build a game with all of those things.

    That’s my phone for some reason it always autocorrects/autofills with “on” instead of “an” not a clue why.

    I thought about Corvette when I was just messing about with ideas earlier but wouldn’t want such a large portion of the game covered/one dimensional. But the idea is solid.

    As for the toys/features, I don’t think it’s too much I just think we have been conditioned over the years to expect less and less which seems to be slowly changing and we are getting more again.

    Plus it’s not that dissimilar to something like BM66 (has turntable, physical ball lock, magnets, mini lcd, VUK, 2 ramps, or STLE (magnets, 2 x kickbacks, drops, 3 ramps, led side rails) or Dialled In (Magnets, 3D mini screen, ramps/witeforms everywhere, scoops, VUKs, camera, Bluetooth etc etc)

    I’ll admit 3 different types of kickback/ball save probably wouldn’t ever happen but it would be cool, as I think the most important part of a BTTF machine is making it look and physically feel different in each time period, that’s the magic/money shot!

    #155 10 months ago
    Quoted from lancestorm:

    How about toys with 3 sides to them, wherein depending where you are in the game movie wise the other 2 sides are below the playfield, only revealing themselves with the progression of the game? Like the 3 types of Biffs or 3 clock towers

    Hey stop stealing my ideas

    #157 10 months ago
    Quoted from vireland:

    Or maybe a giant printed folgers coffee can that turns to reveal...oh wait, that was already done. It sucked.

    Don’t knock that Vire, on a BTTF that mech could be useful eye candy.

    I think the biggest challenge with a BTTF pin is implementing the time travel aspects effectively, having the clock tower on the BDK can mech would allow you to show all 4 sides depending what time frame/mode you where in.

    Doesn’t necessarily have to be interactive just that visual change in the game would go along way imo, like I said on the previous page having a mech that can revolve under the playfield and change the DeLorean along with the clock tower would be a nice effect and that could be interactive like the Demo Man car crash lane.

    Physical changes with LCD changes for each time are a must imo.

    #159 10 months ago
    Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

    Beat me to it, totally up for JAWS, I agree the Zen table got me going, challenging too compared to many of them. I'm finding the BTTF theme a bit meh by comparison, just can't get really excited about McFly and the Doc on a new machine.

    Yeah Zen nailed the look and feel of JAWS, the code/modes aren’t great but the layout is very cool and could easily be made into a physical game with a JAWS mech that eats the ball right at the back to replace the CG JAWS that swims around on the Zen table.

    I get what you mean about BTTF, the layout is pretty good with some nice features like the flux capacitor ball lock,
    DeLorean and hoverboard shots but the theme integration isn’t great at all, doesn’t feel all that like BTTF which means it misses the charm and excitement the theme should have.

    #166 10 months ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    The storytelling in Part III is just fine. It's a simpler, direct story like the first one.
    Part II suffers from trying to cram in too much story in 2 hours. It disappointed audiences, and that bad taste was still around 6 months later, and hurt Part III's box office. In that sense, having a film come out 6 months later was a mistake.

    That was Robert Zemeckis decision, he wasn’t/isn’t a fan of cliffhangers and didn’t want to leave audiences waiting for the conclusion to the story.

    He was ahead of his time on that one, in this day and age of instant gratification and the need for everything instantly it would have most probably done the opposite and made a fortune.

    #171 10 months ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    Did any of you Backies know this?
    [quoted image]

    Yeah there was a few different concepts at first, one was a chamber exposed to a nuclear blast, that then become a fridge, which then became a DeLorean.

    Another little fun fact about the refrigerator is that the whole concept and original screenplay on how the fridge would be sent back in time by nuclear exposure, was later used by George Lucas in Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skulls nuclear blast scene where Indy jumps in a lead lined refrigerator to survive the nuclear blast.

    #173 10 months ago
    Quoted from Axl:

    And lead to the first jumping the shark moment of the 4th movie.

    Haha that whole movie was jumping a lot of sharks start to finish, George Lucas went full on crazy with that one, hopefully Indy 5 brings the series back to its roots a little. And no Shia!!

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