I'd like to see Catacomb or Seawitch priced like The Pin.

They are simpler than games like The Pin, so it should be no problem to hit that price point.

Stern is one of the most conservative companies around.

They are not going to stick their necks out far, that's for sure.

All the design, tooling and testing is already done. A license is ~$20.

The orders are pouring in already, and production has not even started.

Gamatron would be a fun surprise remake.

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It makes perfect sense to make a Premium Tron.

1. More money for Stern

2. By adding in the lighted ramps and extra modes from the LE, even many current owners of Tron Pro would buy it.

3. By Stern not making the Premium a numbered or Limited Edition, they would not kill the value of my TronLE.

4. I know of only 2 TronLEs on route, and both are good earners. An affordable Premium would allow more Ops to deploy them - good for pinball.

Why would I feel hurt?

A premium would not be a limited edition. Stern could run a few hundred more every few years. There will always only be 400 LEs.

But it still would not be a Limited Edition of any kind:

Way more than 400 produced

Different backglass (obviously there is not enough demand to run the 3D again)

Decaled cab rather than the real silkscreened LE

No numbered sign or certificate.

Factory LED lighting

Gary says a lot of things.

He also said Tron would never be re-run and they did 3 more runs, LOL

Consider AC/DC .

The LE has a lower playfield (with an often cloudy window).

The Premium has a lower playfield.

The reason most people bought a Premium over the Pro was to get the cool lower playfield.

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I don't believe that having a lower playfield on the AC/DC Premium has devalued the LE.

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So by the same logic, I don't believe that having lit ramps on the Tron Premium will devalue the LE.

None of the 4 Tron Pro reruns were announced at the time the Tron Pros were released either.

Yet a NIB Tron Pro sells for $900 more than it did when it came out even though it has crappy side decals and a crappy 2D translight.

The market was not ruined by 4 reruns, in fact the value went up and the item quality went down.

The Tron LEs had screen printed cabs.

The Tron LEs had 3D translights.

The Premiums will have decalled cabs and 2D translights.

So, aren't you making my point?

I think we are now talking about 2 different things.

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When the Tron Premium comes out with lighted ramps, LED lighting, metal decals, 2D translight and drop targets, I can't wait to see it deployed on route, attracting new people to pinball.

My own TronLE will be still in my basement, laughing at the refakes.

I can't control it's emotions.

But knowing what I know about my TronLE's attitude, it's going to be laughing.

Decals get torn up on route in a hurry.

Ops never replace them, so they look like trash.

Nothing is stopping someone from putting a decal over a screen printed cab.

Yawn

And that's good, but I've been printing decals for damaged games for a decade.

All cabs do, but screen printed (or stenciled ) cabs are more durable.
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Like anything, there are pros and cons to decals.

Yes, but I'm not licensed to sell them.

I only use them in restoration work for my clients.

I assume that anytime I buy a pin NIB that it will depreciate in value the moment I open it.

That is exactly what happened with AC/DC Luci edition, yet I did not see the villagers lighting any torches.

Why? Because it's only pinball.

I think WOZ people were more angry that JJP was building Ruby editions, instead of finish up the already paid in full WOZLEs.

Every Ruby, even the prototypes, is time wasted from finishing the LEs.

Luci is the best version of AC/DC.

It's window is clear (unlike the LEs), and it has the best artwork by far.

No doubt.

No matter what we say here, Stern will be making a Tron Premium (so I've just been told).

So we will soon see if the world of pinball ends in a fiery death.

Not my place.

Who wants to buy my TronLE with clearcoated playfield, LEDs and video mod??????

/s

It's a Super Real LE #3xx (I can't remember).

But it's superior to the Normal LE because it got a day 1 clearcoat that looks like a sheet of glass.

Plays faster than fnck.

I have protected it forever under the clear.

I instantly got a pile of PMs wanting to buy it, but there is no way I'm selling.

It's my favorite game in the whole collection.

I thought all the ?????? at the end of the selling statement would signal that I was being sarcastic, but a lot of people wanted that game, and took their shot at it.

Sorry everyone, I was joking!

I told you it could easily be done yourself.

You never want to listen.

And lower prices is good for the players in the hobby.

Classic Sterns were unlicensed and unramped games.

Should be relatively easy to manufacture.

If a complicated game like "The Pin" with ramps, speech, multiball, licenses, and flashers can be sold at a profit for $2500, a much simpler Seawitch should be money.

Most ops I know don't buy pinball machines, because they remember the days when a machine paid itself off in 2-3 months and then started to EARN.

$5000 for a Pro is just too much money when a crane out-earns a pin 10 to 1.

But $2500 for a game means an op could deploy 2 for the price of a Pro.

A simple game like Nine Ball would also attract new players who would otherwise be intimidated by a complicated game like AC/DC. (James deployed a bunch of pins at at 20something bar and Comet out-earned all the DMD titles. Why? Probably because everything else looked too complicated).

LED lighting would make the game look fresh and not like the 1980s.

Or LAZERLORD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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TRON: Legacy was a great movie.

I watched Tron the night before going to see TRON: Legacy in an actual **twin projector** Imax 3D theater (not the crappy single projector theaters).

Most of the people I saw it with did not "get" the movie. They totally missed the point of where Tron sacrifices himself after gazing into the eyes of his maker and then is cleansed of his sins by being baptized in the Sea of Simulation.....

He is a digitized replica of a human, so he bleeds binary blood.

As a digitized replica, yes.

It is a digital pig, edible by digitized humans.

It depends on how Flynn wrote the code, but it's a Disney movie, you can just relax and enjoy the ride.