I would like to see better sound quality on any Stern. Including Tron that already uses the SAM system.

Don't forget about all the pro owners that spent thousands of dollars to upgrade their machines. Stern will do what they have to do.

Change the cabinet art, some trim, and the translite and you have the same promise of the current LEs.

Sure. I want to see Stern pull this one out of the vault.
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Would it be considered insider info if I had guessed they would make a premium the day I bought my LE?

Fixed it for you.

You keep saying that, but premium editions of LE models are now the norm. If they made a premium Tron, it would be no different than making a premium Met, ST, Mustang or whatever. Unless they made some kind of guarantee back in the day that the Tron LE features would never show up on another pinball machine. I don't care if it happens, because I like the one I have and don't care about relative value like so many others.

I played both the LE and the Pro when they were new at the same place and it was more than just features. The LE played better.

The ones that might have a problem with it is the ones that sunk all that extra money into a pro just trying to emulate an LE, but that never happened. It made it better, but not even close.

If they do a premium then maybe they might be able to improve the sound, but there is not much more you can do to improve perfection.

No Tron LE owners are going to get butt hurt if Stern makes a Premium, because most of them plan on keeping it.

I agree with that but I'm not sure Stern ever said they wouldn't make a premium in the future, although LEs had premium stamped on the box and the playfield.

It is a very grey area, and we would need to go back and see how Stern presented it at the time it was first released to see what kind of promise was made.

They could get around a lot of this by calling it something else.

As long as they call it something else like Tron Vault Supreme, and changed a few things like the translite and the trim, there is really nothing anybody could do about it anyway.

Whether or not Stern needs the money that bad is another story.

Well, I know we both made the same choice. And if they do it, it would affect the resale value of our machines, but would still be more than the original LE cost NIB.

So I'm sticking to my guns on this one. Don't look at pinball as an investment. Get what you like for what you are willing to pay at the time, and if you decide to get rid of it later on, accept the fact that you may not get it back. Just like anything else. And if you get a little more, then that helps make up for others where you didn't.

True. But whatever they decide to do, it won't be a replica of the LE. So the original collectors that wanted something different will still have that. As long as making money wasn't the driving factor in the decision to buy one, including myself as an original LE owner, we will still only be looking at and playing the machine that we bought and enjoying it, not the new release or what have you.

I agree it would not be a good choice by Stern because others look at things differently, but that doesn't seem to stop them from buying pinball machines. The model for any new LE will still be the same. A glorified version of the premium. So as long as they stick to that, current LE collectors will continue to buy them as long as they are more appealing than the premium model.

Tron "Vault Supreme"

Is it a real LE, or an LE refake?

That sounds great! Well GLWS, because the way the wind is blowing, pretty soon the marketplace will be full of original LEs. I think I will sit this one out though, because both my daughter and myself and everybody that comes over likes the super steep, super fast, low milage original one that's already here.

I figured you would.

Well, what did you expect?
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