Quoted from HarryReimer:

ICEMAN is 100 percent on point. Its comparing Star Trek TNG to Whoa Nellie.. IMHO Not bashing LZ... FOR ME its just laughable at 9100.00, the value is not there. The BOM is 3100 for that LE. I like Stern games.. but... wash, rinse, repeat.... If you are buying one, enjoy it. Dont let others dissuade you from what you want. I want a Stern LE that LOOKS like 9100.00 Im sure LZ will play fun, just dont see the value at 9100.00...

Quoted from romulusx:

Actually a GnR SE is $6750

Quoted from usandthem:

Ice knows more than everyone else about everything. The fact that he is rich (and constantly lets you know about his stock market prowess) makes it true. Was he born with silver spoon in his mouth? Doesn't matter. The fact that he's rich means that he has superior intellect and knowledge about all topics (including pinball) that exceeds everyone else's.

Quoted from PtownPin:

or just possibly the guy has worked his ass off and has done well for himself. The reality is most people on this forum have a too much disposable income. How else can one justify paying $10K for a game let alone have several in your collection....

Quoted from PtownPin:

Pretty typical JJP game....very deep, million ways to play the game, and there is no way u can walk up to the game, and throw a few quarters in and really understand the game....it takes a while

Quoted from PtownPin:

Listen maybe math isn't your strong point, but if u pay $9.2K + tax + shipping for an Stern LE than your pretty close to $10K...so WTF are u talking about?

Quoted from romulusx:

Totally agree with above.I jumped into argument when the artwork was brought up and who’s was better.

Quoted from romulusx:

I don’t know what your trying to say here it’s rather senseless but whatever I’m happy. I got another album on vinyl from my son![quoted image]

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

No way that pic above beats the Ginos or Pats in my opinion and I have not even tried either but the pic does not do justice, hey this is just like saying something about a pin that you have not played, too funny.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

You are really reaching now to try and find things to complain about on GNR.
JJP priced GNR SE to be their lowest cost game to date and as a result cannot include everything on the LE model.
Now how in the world does a rising spinner represent Electric Magic? Lol.

Quoted from Skyemont:

Eric mentioned that they were trying to lower the price to be more competitive.

Quoted from Skyemont:

I would say the SE was cut back some to get it to a more comfortable price point. Stern has been doing it so I’m sure it’s ok for JJP to do it.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

There's the entire upper playfield which features a few shots, and a 6 ball lock represented by a guitar headstock. There's also the moving concert lights, the spinning record (wish it raised up like AIQ!), and the mini LCD concert stage. The CE also features another ball lock on the apron (not a fan though of that being limited to the CE).
I noticed the $850 LZ topper features two moving lights. It's a shame they only turn side to side versus the GNR concert lights (that for one already come with the game) which move in multiple directions. Also what's with all of the exposed screw heads?
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Quoted from Dr-pin:

Agreed. I think games needs to be loaded.
Serviceable but loaded.
Woz with better shots is the dream.

Quoted from Rolls-Royce:

JY, but in that one, a beautiful wood apron was added, amazing radcals, also a nice touch with the art blades included, and in my POV an impressive new art in the back glass, so they didn’t cut much I think...

Quoted from romulusx:

Dude the thread is LZ vs GnR is going to create some combative posting!

Quoted from Psw757:

It’s the same 4-5 people bitching and moaning in every thread, it’s so predictable at this point. I can’t imagine what you guys are like in person if your feathers get so ruffled over something like this. Glad I don’t know you.

Quoted from thechakapakuni:

So as if LZ wasn’t already losing, here is Stern insuring nobody will ever want to see or stream that ugly AF pinball machine. Game/Set/Match to JJP GNR FTW
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Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Looking at LZ.
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Quoted from TaTa:

Seriously!?!?

Quoted from TaTa:

No I stated it that way because Led Zeppelin's groupies are probably that age now. Simple as that brother... simple as that

Quoted from Eskaybee:

That fat axl you speak of, is in better shape than most pinsiders, and probably you; In fact he’s in better shape than most middle aged Americans.

Quoted from TaTa:

Tommy Lee from Motley Crue is by far the greatest drummer ever to exist

Quoted from romulusx:

Bless your heart

Quoted from PtownPin:

I'm curious as to what game u give high praise?....u hide your collection so hard to tell

Quoted from snaroff:

Seems obvious (what jorant is implying).
It doesn't matter what the title/BOM/gameplay is, the home collector market is red hot and ANY LE will sell out. The fact that a game sells out doesn't mean the game compelling or any good. Just means there is plenty of money sloshing around and demand (for new games) is way higher than supply.

Quoted from screaminr:

$950 difference between the 2 LE's .
Sure there will be 10 times as many GNR's out there but I don't think it will affect it's future value that much , especially over here .
Like the Addams Family when the machine really gets out and about in the next few years and when jjp either sells out or stops making them to move on to other games , I bet the price of these games will skyrocket .

Quoted from snaroff:

I much prefer LZ over GNR (in terms of music), but it's clear GNR (the pinball) has much more sizzle. Even though it's 2k more, the JJP/GNR value is clear (and worth the extra $$).

Quoted from snaroff:

You disagree that LZ/GNR are music pins? Have no idea what you are trying to say...sorry.

Quoted from snaroff:

which game has more sizzle (i.e. eye candy)

Quoted from HarryReimer:

This is where I get lost. I dont care if there are 5 of them, if there are no REAL additions to the game play... MYSELF personally don't care how rare something is. Case in point, BBB is a no fun at all... Ill pass.

Quoted from Psw757:

You want to talk about over paying, how about the GB topper that sold on here yesterday for $2500. Crazy shit.

Quoted from DrJoe:

Initial thoughts:
It's a little early for a fair comparison of these games due to incomplete code on both. GNR code feels a bit further along than LZ at this point. I only played the pro LZ and the LE of GNR so that's also not a fair fight. So a few pros and cons of each so far imo:
GNR:
Pros...beautiful playfield, cabinet, light show, theme integration, risk vs. reward aspect of rules, great video and song assets.
Cons...too multiball heavy (reducing the helper mode multiballs would help), bad plunger shot that dribbles to right slingshot, JJP flippers. Also, newer players have trouble knowing what to shoot for and why. JJP games have great lights, but when they are all on and changing colors, it's hard to tell someone "hit the lit shot", so it becomes a flail fest for this type of player.
Zep:
Pros...fast action, snappy flippers, good flow, good pf layout.
Cons...rules need more love, pro playfield is sparse, theme integration isn't fully developed, feels similar to many other games (lack of uniqueness).
These two are very different games and it's going to be a matter of which game style you prefer as to which you'll like better. Collectors will lean more towards GNR and tournament players more towards LZ I would guess. Many people are a little of each (players and collectors/enthusiasts) so they should get both!

Quoted from Skyemont:

If Stern made it he would respond totally different.

Quoted from romulusx:

I’ve talked to and seen some very good players play GnR

Quoted from DrJoe:

Why does every discussion in every thread turn into fanboys bashing one another? Can these games be compared without utter worship for one brand and disdain for the other?

Quoted from romulusx:

Now this is a very stupid observation!Cmon man you saw the interview with Eric from SDTM

Quoted from PtownPin:

Stern doesn't really care, because games keep selling.....JJP on the other hand still has to prove their worth, and start making money....the bottom line is JJP is really motivated to knock it out of the park.....Stern on the other hand is fine with getting on base.

Quoted from romulusx:

JJP is a new company