What do you mean themewise?

Also, since i have listen to both bands alot and some here say, led is easily a greater pinball franchise/songs then gnr.
What songs?

Say you need 8-10 for a pin, which 8-10 led songs are clearly so superior for a pinball machine compared to gnr counters?

Really mostly very good songs, even though some breaks down into Psychedelics midway thru.
Still, there are some really good and suitable songs from gnr aswell.

Compare with......
-Yesterday
-welcome to the jungle
-you could be mine
-estranged (my personal favorite)
-paradise city
-Sweet child of mine
-Civil war
-Rocket queen
-Mr brownstone
-Locomotive
-Better

You may argue led is better, matter of opinion, but calling it a landslide, seems to much.

Maybe they will do like with beatles and have sucker ed. 1,2 and three?

The most iconic around here is stairway to heaven, which i awesome. Not sure it's a pin-song.
Unfortunately the best led pinball songs are recked by turning into acid-trips halfway thru.

Nobody younger then 40 have heard or cares for lz, besides stairway to heaven, whilst every one whos been to a sportig event knows of GNR.

Must be very different compared to europe.
Here lz is a no-show.

It's mostly gnr, queen and some of the new ultra/trance like darude/sandstorm and such.

Seems there is no competiton.
Jjp won by default.
Stern with another generic no soul effort.

For the ce they would have to go with the spaghetti incident. Baby blue legs ofc.

You are right, you probably cant make him drink, atleast aslong as what you serving is piss, instead of water.

Totally agree. If you like the art, the gameplay and think stern did an excellent job representing led zeppelin with this pin.
Congrats.

That ce really stands out.
The effort.
Pin of the year.

That's a strange and somewhat contradictory statement coming from a stern fan.

Agreed. I think games needs to be loaded.
Serviceable but loaded.
Woz with better shots is the dream.

I hope the tide turns.
I want more people coming back and starting up with pinball. They are not going to do that with games like LZ pro.
I want people to see a pinball machine for the first time in their life, both kids and younger adults, thinking it´s most cool and mesmerizing thing they´ve ever seen.

I want JJP to produce games that makes games like woz seem lacking in gizmos, Stern JP lacking in good shots, making GNR and hobbit seem lacking in theme-integration.
I want great rules and progression with lots of easter eggs, lots of video supporting progression.

You might say, it´s not doable or possible.
Considering other computer amusements or computer-aided amusements pinball needs to step up.

For christmas i bought one of my kids a vr-set. I´ve tried it, it´s totally amazing. tested it five years ago, totally lackluster. What a development!
Imagine where that thing will be in five years?

As someone at our christmas party said, when we were talking about pinball and return of alien.
- In ten years with vr-technique you will be on-board the sulaco gearing up to fight the aliens, and it will almost feel real.

If you buy Stern LZ, you are honestly one of the suckers holding pinball back.

May be, but you are not vitalizing pinball producing and buying machines, that looks way worse then they did thirty years ago.

Are more people getting into the hobby or picking up of nostalgic reasons?
how many really "new" pinballplayers are there?

Same at home, they think it´s fun, but only for a little while (is my experience), i think it´s because it´s to little in, to compete with other stuff.
If old people prefer old machines, that kind of proves my point?

If people think the latest from stern is awesome, so be it. Good luck with that. For 2020 i think it´s bloody embarrassing.

I am.

If they all go out of business, it´s likely because they didn´t bother to keep pushing the development of pinball further.

I like lots of pins. Hobbit, afm, simpson and maiden to name a few.
I just think there are to many games that seems so far from their best effort, like lz.
Also i would like to see much more innovation, imagination and magic.
Pinball has lots of tough competition and i want it to survive.

Where did i say that about the gnr game?

This isnt correct. Beatles is the greatest band of all time. By a land-slide.
If you include bandmembers individual success it gets even worse.
Beatles simply destroy all competition and including bandmember success LZ is also easily passed by genesis and eagles.

Both bands are great. Gnr more modern. The usual LZ mid-song lsd flash is probably puzzling and not so appriciated by a younger audience.

That machine just looks spectacular.

Well if you smell the others, be glad, cause uou obvously dont have corona.

R&M is really perfect for pinball. Really smart move by spooky.

Stern machines are so lightweight and easy to move, that i consider tiltwarnings extraballs.

I wonder what this treatment of a franschise does to the ability to get new themes/franchiseholder onboard?

If i was a franschiseholder an saw lz next to gnr, i know which company i would have choosen.
Even if pinball is a small thing theese days, it's still important to get good representation.

I showed the jukebox samples that was posted in the gnr thread and most at my work were amazed/mezmerized. When you get ladies in their 30-50 look impressed with a 8k$ mantoy, you've really achieved 5 stars.

Seems to be a mm or two lower on the left.

Gnr is such a great looker. Lz as seen looks better then initial pictures.