Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Lol I'm very sorry this thread didn't go the way you thought. Who would have thought so much complaining would occur over a $6k - $9k+ product that has little in it in terms of toys and features. Just keep telling yourself that "flow" (air in ramps and orbits) is worth thousands of $$$.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Man, what a troll! ..but I’ll bite. That fat axl you speak of, is in better shape than most pinsiders, and probably you; In fact he’s in better shape than most middle aged Americans. The reason you all think he’s fat is because you keep comparing him to heroin-meth’d out crack Axl lol. As for the pins, yea - no comparison is right, GNR is leagues beyond anything stern will do in this lifetime (pun intended).
Oh and Led Zeppelin? Really, you want to support a band that made it’s living and stardom on ripping off other peoples music? Looks like Stern tried to take a page out of Led Zeppelin’s book as well and rip off JJP on the side light rails.....swing and a miss. Enjoy your licensed hindered, simplistic, sparse, overpriced Zep pin.
As for my non-troll response and in all seriousness. I hope you guys get the blinders pulled off you someday, doesn’t have to be now, enjoy your troll posts, but one day I hope you see the light as i have. Peace.

Quoted from Psw757:

Let’s be fair here, the highlight of the GNR game is Live and Let Die and it’s associated light show which isn’t theirs. It’s borrowed.
I will also say if you go see Sir Paul he does the lights and Pyro better to it as well.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

And this is the problem with pinball and vs. threads. If you think the highlight of GNR is Live and Let die, you obviously haven't experienced the game. So I’ll refer back to my previous comment and say, i hope one day the blinders are taken off.
I’m gonna bail this thread for awhile as I’ve said what I wanted to say and can leave it at that (unlike some - not referring to you psw757). Peace out.

Quoted from kermit24:

man the upper flipper is a waste on the game. The dead end shot isn’t good. When has SR ever had a main level upper flipper shot that didn’t loop?

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

True Ritchie greatness is a couple ramps and a rising spinner?

Quoted from John_I:

Actually four complete metal ramps, but who is counting?

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Man, what a troll! ..but I’ll bite. That fat axl you speak of, is in better shape than most pinsiders, and probably you; In fact he’s in better shape than most middle aged Americans. The reason you all think he’s fat is because you keep comparing him to heroin-meth’d out crack Axl lol. As for the pins, yea - no comparison is right, GNR is leagues beyond anything stern will do in this lifetime (pun intended).
Oh and Led Zeppelin? Really, you want to support a band that made it’s living and stardom on ripping off other peoples music? Looks like Stern tried to take a page out of Led Zeppelin’s book as well and rip off JJP on the side light rails.....swing and a miss. Enjoy your licensed hindered, simplistic, sparse, overpriced Zep pin.
As for my non-troll response and in all seriousness. I hope you guys get the blinders pulled off you someday, doesn’t have to be now, enjoy your troll posts, but one day I hope you see the light as i have. Peace.

Quoted from romulusx:

Do you hear yourself,your actually bragging that the highlight of the game are metal ramps.

Quoted from iceman44:

Btw, just got call today, get my GNRCE delivered in 2-3 weeks per Distro from JJP call requesting funds.

Quoted from snaroff:

Don't forget the other amazing achievement...you can backhand both ramps! OMG...

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Man, what a troll! ..but I’ll bite. That fat axl you speak of, is in better shape than most pinsiders, and probably you;

Quoted from jalpert:

I was gunna say the same thing. If fat Axl is the lead off argument, again and again and again times 50, GNR is a hell of a game!
And in terms of relevance. GNR has been selling out stadiums for 4 years before covid with many more shows planned. When was the last time LZ sold out a stadium? Or even played together? Can it possibly be that the band that hasn’t played together in how many years is less relevant?
Edit: 1985! They haven’t played together for 35+ years. That is the epitome of relevance right there. . All of them except the drummer is still alive, they just don’t want to.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Lol I'm very sorry this thread didn't go the way you thought. Who would have thought so much complaining would occur over a $6k - $9k+ product that has little in it in terms of toys and features. Just keep telling yourself that "flow" (air in ramps and orbits) is worth thousands of $$$.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Man, what a troll! ..but I’ll bite. That fat axl you speak of, is in better shape than most pinsiders, and probably you; In fact he’s in better shape than most middle aged Americans. The reason you all think he’s fat is because you keep comparing him to heroin-meth’d out crack Axl lol. As for the pins, yea - no comparison is right, GNR is leagues beyond anything stern will do in this lifetime (pun intended).
Oh and Led Zeppelin? Really, you want to support a band that made it’s living and stardom on ripping off other peoples music? Looks like Stern tried to take a page out of Led Zeppelin’s book as well and rip off JJP on the side light rails.....swing and a miss. Enjoy your licensed hindered, simplistic, sparse, overpriced Zep pin.
As for my non-troll response and in all seriousness. I hope you guys get the blinders pulled off you someday, doesn’t have to be now, enjoy your troll posts, but one day I hope you see the light as i have. Peace.

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

What toy does GnR have in it? a static top hat? clapping cymbals? On the other hand the Electric Magic mech is the most unique device made in a long time. A pop up optical spinner that is also a ball lock, and functions as a diverter and bi-directional kickback all while taking up zero playfield space, not obstructing the players view and allowing the game to be a flow monster.

Quoted from romulusx:

There’s rumours that it also functions as a pretty decent flesh light ?

Quoted from Psw757:

Nah that would be the coin door on GNR for all the fluffers and puffers.

Quoted from jalpert:

I was gunna say the same thing. If fat Axl is the lead off argument, again and again and again times 50, GNR is a hell of a game!
And in terms of relevance. GNR has been selling out stadiums for 4 years before covid with many more shows planned. When was the last time LZ sold out a stadium? Or even played together? Can it possibly be that the band that hasn’t played together in how many years is less relevant?
Edit: 1985! They haven’t played together for 35+ years. That is the epitome of relevance right there. . All of them except the drummer is still alive, they just don’t want to.

Quoted from iceman44:

Btw, just got call today, get my GNRCE delivered in 2-3 weeks per Distro from JJP call requesting funds.

Quoted from Kiwipinhead:

LZ LE four ramps to two flippers
GnR LE Two ramps to four flippers.

Quoted from romulusx:

Do you really want to argue about what each pin has on its playfield?
GnR game of the year awards LZ best band ever but no game of the year!

Quoted from Kiwipinhead:

What's the point of doing that? I know which one is coming to my house,
I watched the LZ streams.... after 30 mins I had to mute the sound...

Quoted from romulusx:

Definitely want a GnR now really just commenting on the very detailed grandiose assessment of that LZ mystery machine.I’ve got a feeling LZ will win best toy of the year for that one!

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

however If you're gonna say a game "sucks" at least back up your statement with some kind of facts.

Quoted from romulusx:

Those all outs are pretty bad.

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

is that the best comeback you got? you never answered the question of what toy GnR has, other than your desire for it to include a fleshlight.
Lets compare features ------
Flippers: GNR 3 full size 1 mini --- LZ 4 full size
Pops: Both have 3
Magnets: GNR 1 --- LZ 2
Ramps: GNR 3 plastic -- LZ 4 Stainless steel (as a restoration guy fully metal ramps are a huge upgrade)
Spinners: GNR 2 mechanical switch -- LZ 1 mechanical, 1 optical
Special feature: GNR spinning disc (same basic design used in the 70's) -- LZ new Electric Magic multifunction pop up spinner/ ball lock, kickback etc...
Scoop/Saucer: both have 1
Side rail lighting - both have it
Ball Diverter/gate: GNR -- 1 LZ 1
Drop targets: GNR 0 -- LZ 1
Leaper target: GNR 0 -- LZ 1
Upper playfield: GNR yes -- LZ no
Playfield ball lock: GNR 6ball passive -- LZ 1 ball motorized
When you actually break it down the games are similarly equipped mechanically with devices that interact with the ball.
Personally i think GNR and LZ look good and more than likely ill own both. Not everyone has the same tastes in games and thats fine, however If you're gonna say a game "sucks" at least back up your statement with some kind of facts.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

Yeah...you should hear the callouts in Wonka.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

Yeah...you should hear the callouts in Wonka.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

Yeah...you should hear the callouts in Wonka.

Quoted from thechakapakuni:

So as if LZ wasn’t already losing, here is Stern insuring nobody will ever want to see or stream that ugly AF pinball machine. Game/Set/Match to JJP GNR FTW
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Quoted from Chuckwebster:

Flippers: GNR 3 full size 1 mini --- LZ 4 full size

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

Magnets: GNR 1 --- LZ 2

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

Ramps: GNR 3 plastic -- LZ 4 Stainless steel (as a restoration guy fully metal ramps are a huge upgrade)

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

Spinners: GNR 2 mechanical switch -- LZ 1 mechanical, 1 optical

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

Special feature: GNR spinning disc (same basic design used in the 70's) -- LZ new Electric Magic multifunction pop up spinner/ ball lock, kickback etc...

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

Side rail lighting - both have it

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

Ball Diverter/gate: GNR -- 1 LZ 1

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

however If you're gonna say a game "sucks" at least back up your statement with some kind of facts.

Quoted from pinball_keefer:

Fact check time!

You'll have to point out that 4th flipper on LZ to me.

As well as that second magnet?

To be fair here, GNR only has 2 shootable ramps. One that is plastic->metal and one that is plastic->drumsticks->metal. There is also a 3rd-level return ramp that is fed by a popper (metal->3rd level mini-pf->bass ramp wireform).

Nope, both GNR spinners are optos, as we've mostly used since Hobbit. Nice to see Stern finally get on board with these, though. They shoot way better.

The disc isn't quite the same as it's bidirectional now, and the lightshow syncs perfectly with it. Personally I'd put the upper playfield here too, but you do cover it below.

No, GNR has it and it's patent pending. LZ has cabinet lighting that's been seen before.

GNR: 2 active (1 on each ramp), 4 passive (1 into 6-ball lockup, 3 on bass ramp mini pf). CE has a 3rd diverter in the left outlane that leads to a second lockup.
The diverter action in GNR gives 9 shots with 22 possible ball paths. LZ seems to have 7/8 shots and 10/12 ball paths.

Preferably accurate ones!

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

is that the best comeback you got? you never answered the question of what toy GnR has, other than your desire for it to include a fleshlight.
Lets compare features ------
Flippers: GNR 3 full size 1 mini --- LZ 4 full size
Pops: Both have 3
Magnets: GNR 1 --- LZ 2
Ramps: GNR 3 plastic -- LZ 4 Stainless steel (as a restoration guy fully metal ramps are a huge upgrade)
Spinners: GNR 2 mechanical switch -- LZ 1 mechanical, 1 optical
Special feature: GNR spinning disc (same basic design used in the 70's) -- LZ new Electric Magic multifunction pop up spinner/ ball lock, kickback etc...
Scoop/Saucer: both have 1
Side rail lighting - both have it
Ball Diverter/gate: GNR -- 1 LZ 1
Drop targets: GNR 0 -- LZ 1
Leaper target: GNR 0 -- LZ 1
Upper playfield: GNR yes -- LZ no
Playfield ball lock: GNR 6ball passive -- LZ 1 ball motorized
When you actually break it down the games are similarly equipped mechanically with devices that interact with the ball.
Personally i think GNR and LZ look good and more than likely ill own both. Not everyone has the same tastes in games and thats fine, however If you're gonna say a game "sucks" at least back up your statement with some kind of facts.